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Index ranks Mexico as 2nd happiest country

Happy Planet Index measures 'sustainable well-being'

You won’t find many countries happier than Mexico. In fact, there’s just one and that’s Costa Rica, according to the Happy Planet Index.

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Mexico has been ranked No. 2 in the world by the index, described by its creator as a measurement of sustainable well-being.

It was well-being, along with life expectancy, where Mexico scored high. Data gathered by the research firm Gallup measured how satisfied citizens felt with life overall, on a scale of one to 10, and gave Mexico 7.3 for well-being, 11th out of 140 countries.

Life expectancy of 76.4 years put Mexico in 39th place in that category.

Another factor was “inequality of outcomes,” which takes into account inequality within a country in terms of how long people live and how happy they feel based on the distribution of life expectancy and well-being data.

Mexico didn’t fare so well here, coming in 60th out of the 140 countries measured.

A fourth factor was ecological footprint, measuring the average impact each resident places on the environment. Mexico placed 77th.

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The study, conducted by the think tank New Economics Foundation, points out that well-being in Mexico is higher than in the United States, despite having an economy that is five times smaller, and an ecological footprint that is one-third that of its neighbor.

The index cites the 2012 introduction of universal health coverage and the 2014 soft drink tax as two examples of “what’s working well in Mexico.” It also mentions the growing political attention being given to environmental sustainability, which has been seen in legislating long-term climate targets and steps to conserve forests and protect biodiversity.

But the index points out that economic inequality is “a massive problem,” saying the top 20% of the population earns more than 13 times as much as the bottom 20%. That and high poverty rates among indigenous peoples and human rights violations represent “significant challenges.”

It also mentions the multi-party agreement called the Pact for Mexico, signed in December 2012, as having been an important step for the country’s future.

Other Happy Planet Index rankings put the U.S. in 108th place and Canada 85th.

Colombia, Vanuatu and Vietnam placed third, fourth and fifth while Togo, Luxembourg and Chad were at the bottom of the list.

The New Economics Foundation describes itself as the United Kingdom’s leading think tank promoting social, economic and environmental justice, and says its goal is to transform the economy so it “works for people and the planet.”

Another happiness index ranked Mexico in 14th place last year. The World Happiness Report, prepared by a United Nations agency, examined income, life expectancy, generosity, social support, freedom and corruption among 158 countries. Switzerland placed first, and Togo last.

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  • Just goes to show how many Mexicans are too afraid of their government to tell the truth.

    • Serge Paul

      Actually we hate our government, what it shows is how you feel when you put your relationships first and take time to have a good time.

      • Very brave of you. Saludos!

      • Peter Maiz

        That is very true. You have to be Mexican to understand. I don’t think Pastore would understand the Mexicans, in the same vein as say, Trump understands the Muslims or Mexicans. There is a strong current of xenophobia going around our northern neighbor. Xenophobia is not a word we can applaud as a positive state of being.

        • Peter, I lived in Mexico for some 22 years. How old are you?

          • Expat2MEX

            You say “lived”. I have a lot of friends who “lived” here. Most are now miserable living up “en el otro lado”. But I still live down here in this happy lawless land, and after 20 years of work, returning on and off to the US, missions in Iraq, and other stuff, I happily call it home again. Compared to Mosul or Tikrit or dozens of other places I “visited”, my Sonora ranchito is heaven. But I have known that for 20 years. No paradise, but where is that anyway, John?

          • Were yourself and friends in Mexico so even inadvertently valuable to that government to become an unwitting victim of a paracaidista? Enslaved there for some twenty years? You better hurry back to the the States before the MxGovernment here in the US wins. Then there will be no place else to escape. Or, of course, you can continue to stay and promote that literal mafia and prosper. Why should you risk getting that so-called government off everyone’s backs? In Mexico and in the USA? Including the millions of Mexicans uprooted and sent from “the second happiest country in the world?

          • Expat2MEX

            Could you rewrite that note in plain English? I haven’t the slightest idea what you are asking or what you have said.

          • Go go the nearest mayor’s office in Sonora, and tell them you want to be introduced to the area’s chief ‘paracaidista’. Simple enough?

          • Because you don’t make sense of what I’m saying doesn’t mean others don’t. Just as a Mexican. They know what I am saying even while you don’t.

          • Peter Maiz

            Don’t have a clue of what you said and I’m a Mexican living in Mexico. Paracaidistas? No longer a problem. The Mexican government winnin in the U.S.? What in the world? Totally non-sensical. Unless you are complaining about Mexican immigration to the United States? I truly thought all those Mexicans going to the U.S. were just going back to give Mexico back the occupied territories, ha, ha.

          • Peter, the “paracaidistas,” and Mexico’s, from the top-down, system of ‘paracaismo’, not only persist in Mexico, and, thus, the so-called War on Drugs, but has been the greatest secret (to Americans) weapon the MxGoverment has been assaulting Americans, and Mexicans, with. It appears you must think, or have others think, a paracaidista is nothing more than random squatters on a piece of property.And —yes— the MxGoverment is not only.in the USA but has already created a state within a state fors its, and its alone, benefit. it’s been devastating. So much so, US Governance is down to Trump and Hillary. I’m afraid you know no more about your own country than you do about the USA. Too bad when Mexico still awaits it’s American(-type) Revolution while the US needs to repeat its first.

          • “No paradise, but where is that anyway, John?” For me? It was the Mayan Caribbean. Then the MxGovernment came.

          • Expat2MEX

            And then what? You ran home like a puppy?

          • Not at all. Enough of your undeserved venom.

          • Peter Maiz

            Probably older than you.

          • Grow up.

    • Herradura Plata

      Major denial going on here. How can a populace that suffered 26,000 persons “disappeared” between 2006-2012 (most still not accounted for) and facing extraordinary daily insecurity in their communites (polls show) pretend to be “happy” with its condition? Answer: they laugh it off. “Otra copa, porfa!”

      • Peter Maiz

        Divide 26000 by 134 million and see what percentage you get. But I agree that the narco mafia has polluted many aspects of Mexican society. In Mexico, if you get robbed, you’ll never get the police to do anything. “otra copa, porfa”? Did you ever go to a fraternity party in college? By the way, it was more than 50000 people disappeared.

        • You still haven’t answered the question: “What do you mean mafias ‘or’ government?”

          • Peter Maiz

            Drug cartels, what do you think I meant?

          • You are maintaining there is a difference.

      • Peter Maiz

        There are a lot of rich Mexicans that hate the Mexican government.

        • Very true. But sold their souls to it anyway. Otherwise they couldn’t be “rich in Mexico.”

          • Peter Maiz

            That’s nothing but B.S. Little do you know Mexico. Most wealthy people in Chihuahua City made their fortunes the old fashioned way, by building a business. Old society in Chihuahua has always been anti PRI. People put up with the government because they have no choice. My great grand father made a fortune in the 1890’s with a very large silver strike in the Santa Eulalia region. My dad battled the desert in Mexico running a 68,000 acre ranch here, all from private, hard working endeavors. What will even shock you more is that many well to do people in my city grew up with strict, Victorian values. During my dad’s time, bragging rights involved who could be the stingiest most austere member of the club. Juan Munoz Terrazas, a relation of my mom’s family, used to water his own front yard and personally left a fortune of one billion dollars (12.5 percent ownership in Vitro, 7.5 % ownership in the cement giant Cemex). Federico Terrazas Torres, largest stockholder of Grupo Cementos de Chihuahua, would rather eat a skunk than brag about wealth and money. So see, you are very misguided by your inept and highly subjective analysis. Go to Trump rallies, you may find the bliss you’ve been missing.

          • 🙂 Con o sin dinero, yo soy el rey.

          • So? You must know what a paracaidista is: “His ranches had once totaled more than 7 million acres (28,000 km²)[4]. He acquired his properties in a number of ways; one significant advantage was that, as governor of the state, Terrazas was able to move armed forces into and out of portions of the state and buy good rangeland where prices had reduced due to instability.” —Wikipedia.

  • Happygirl

    Over all I have noticed that Mexicans are a happy people…in fact the poor seem happier than the rich. Family is very important, more important than “stuff”… they know that things don’t buy happiness .. though that is changing. Money and money problems is a constant concern. If asked, if they could move to the USA or Canada would they? …the answer would have been interesting. To those happy Mexicans…keep on smiling.

    • The reason Mexico’s poor appear to be happier than the rich is because they did not sell their souls to the MxGovernment — while also keeping their mouths shut. The only reason there is no word for “omerta” in Mexico is because, if there were, no one would be allowed to utter it any way.

      • Peter Maiz

        Omerta is Italian.

        • GSM CDMA

          Omertà.

        • Yes it is. And there is still “no word for it in Mexico.”

          • Güerito

            The essence of omerta is not ratting out even your own enemies.

            That concept hasn’t caught on in Mexico, because most narcos will rat out their own cartel members, let alone rival cartel members.

          • Squeal on, criticize —even constructively— the MxGovernment and see what happens to you. I was not speaking of its recent splinter groups.

    • GSM CDMA

      “Stuff” is very important to Mexicans in 2016. They are a big consumerist country nowadays. They are the largest consumers of iPhones, for example, in Latin America

      • Güerito

        I agree. I was very surprised when I first move here more than a decade ago, and I continue to be surprised. In a bad way.

      • Mark Schneider

        Yes, “stuff” is becoming more important. However, many of my Mexican neighbors are very happy, even though they don’t have a lot of “stuff”. They value what they DO have … and that’s their family.

        • Expat2MEX

          That’s the first post that rings true. How are there so many people on this commentary board who say they have lived in Mexico but hate it? What the heck drew them down here in the first place? One fellow says he lived here 22 years, was thrown into jail, taught “ESL” (shoud be EFL) and other nonsense. Mexico is what it is, and if you don;t like it, go back home to mamamerica where you can get your free stuff.

          • “Nonsense”? How you wish.

          • Enough of your “nonesense.” English has “BTW”, never has been and will never be English as a First Language (“EFL”) in Mexico. Ask any of the MxGovernment’s popinjays long arriving in the US and getting Hispanic-based US Educational Grants to instruct nothing more to Americans, just as as the so-called government instructed the Maya, “Spanish is more beautiful than English.” Linguists, political scientists, anthropologists, etc. call it “Mexicanization.”

          • Expat2MEX

            English as a Foreign Language. I cannot believe your level of education. Seems like junior high.

          • “…lived in Mexico but hate it…”? I don’t hate Mexico. Find someone else to put your words in their mouth.

          • Expat2MEX

            Whatever happened to put you in jail, you obviously hate the country for it. Too bad for you. You might as well go cry in your soup. It’s OK here, and by the way, you say you lived in Yucatan. I was in Merida and Isla Mujeres when Cancun was still a fishing village. That is how long I have been in this country. I can’t stand people like you who can’t get over their personal past here. It is probably 90 percent YOUR doing that caused it!

          • Mexico is not it’s government.

          • Then you know the Poc-Na. Not my doing any more than I invented ‘paracaismo’.

          • “What happened to put you in jail”? Don’t you read? I taught the English my students wanted to learn. The English needed to prosper where they wanted to be —home— in Mexico. Not the English mandated by the MxGovernment to learn —to leave and colonize the USA.

          • Expat2MEX

            You know, if you wanted to teach English the way you wanted to, you should have started your own school. You apparently never learned the maxim, “when in Rome, do as the Romans do”. But your mind can’t fathom both that truth and the concept you can do your own thing at the same time…..you were not suited for here, I can see. 22 years wasted. Foolish, wasn’t it?

          • The Mexican Government wouldn’t licence an ESL school not teaching the mandated colonization course “Sigame.”

          • Peter Maiz

            For many of the people you refer to, Mexico is a handsome package if their resources are limited. It beats living in a mobile park in Arizona with 110 degree weather. Nevertheless, I just can’t believe people come to Mexico to put down the country. People are normally very courteous. What exactly is the issue? Pastore hates Mexico but he may hate everything that surrounds him anyways.

      • Not because they are consumerists. I recall when, in Mexico, 80% of the cell phones worn were only the shells of the cell phones. Non-Mexicans thought them to be, although fake, symbols of status; and, at first, I did too. Then, when running the city’s first internet cafe, I knew better. Thanks to decades of exorbitant, unconsciously exploitive, and deliberately discriminating costs to have home phones installed, and decades of consequent lines of people waiting patiently at public phone booths, while a user would chat for hours before each person in line slowly got there turn, the mere anticipation of having, part-by-part, a cell phone that actually worked, was the greatest future they had ever occurred to them. And the future they sought became clearer to me while running, again, the city’s first i-net cafe. Every day I would ask the customers “Why (as miniscule as the price was) are you blowing all of the little money you have on ‘chatting’ with people you never met — you don’t know— when you could be just chatting with the person next to you free”? And they’d just grin until they were totally broke. Why? After hundreds of years, and still, of Inquisition and Mexico closed to the rest of the world, after hundreds of years knowing no one but themselves, hundreds of years of ruler indoctrinated “xenophobia,” for the first time they were ‘free’! It was “Libertad!

        • Expat2MEX

          That’s history. TelCel rates are as competitive now as any in the world. You haven’t been down in a number of years, I can see. Everyone has phones here that operate on BOTH sides of the border….better than the ripoff phones from Sprint, ATT AND TMOBILE

          • Surely better than the “rip-off” that old Telmex was, even at the public phone booths, privatized by the then President of Mexico to his presta-nombre Carlos Slim! But you don’t count that gargantuan —more than compensating— “rip-off.” Do you vigilante?

          • Expat2MEX

            Let’s see if I can decifer your note. Old Telmex is no more. Agreed. TelCel has changed. Carlos understands competition, finally.

            The world moves on, but do you ? Do you prefer to stand in place, guarding your past complaints that no longer mean a good goddamn?

          • RTL

            +1

          • Peter Maiz

            Carlos Slim bought Telmex. He made his fortune with Telcel and other endeavors. That Slim was a prestanombre to Salinas, very unlikely. I assume you think Salinas was a prestanombre to about 300 paraestatales that were privatized during this time.

        • Peter Maiz

          I just got my Telmex bill in the mail. My home line, unlimited to the usa, canada and mexico, full internet access and Dish is a staggering $56 dollars. My cell phone bill is $ 8 a month. Even the Tarahumara Indians in Chihuahua have more expensive cell phones than I do since I do everything via laptop. Get with the times, you probably have not been to Mexico in the last 25 years.

  • mrpoohead

    Tequila?

    • Güerito

      Still the onanist…

      • mrpoohead

        Wanker actually.

  • alance

    This is just another meaningless study by an unknown British think tank pushing for environmental awareness.

    According to Octavio Paz: A Mexican’s face is a mask, and so is his smile.

    • Not meaningless. It’s a deliberate puff piece to ingratiate the author and the interests he represents to ingratiate themselves to the ever-demanding MxGovernment.

      • Expat2MEX

        Oh give me a break. All I hear is “complain, nanananana”. Please, stay up in E Pluribus Unum. You’re pretty dump to have taken 22 years here to leave, and now it’s all pussy bitchin’. Eastwood is right about you people.

        • “…you people…”?

          • Expat2MEX

            Yes, you people. You should be happy to know I have deigned to actually have taken a little time with you. Yhe on-going pathos of your years-old complaints are something I rarely even acknowledge. Why? Because I only give myself a small portion of my time – call it masochism – to suffer the hearty foolishness and incessant idiocy of “people like you”! I hit the delete key on you 99 percent of the time, so be honored to have received this time with me.

            I am your intellectual jefe, hombre. Always will be. Now, I go back to my real life.

          • I call it megalomania.

          • Peter Maiz

            I’d call other people conspiracy theorists.

          • So you would, given your’s is the most damaging conspiracy of all: the conspiracy that there must not be conspiracies.

    • Peter Maiz

      So we’re supposed to believe everything Octavio Paz wrote, I see.

      • You mean ‘anything’ he wrote. We see.

      • Güerito

        Peter, he’s first on my list of recommended authors/poets/intellectuals for those seeking insight on Mexico. Who do you usually recommend?

    • Expat2MEX

      Another bitchy complaint, masking as an opinion. Get off your hatemobile, hombre.

  • emncaity

    Yeah, I think most people agree that places like Mexico and Colombia are paradise, particularly for the unkidnapped and those who can avoid cartel bullets and machetes.

    • RTL

      What an ignorant comment. That’s like saying you should never go to the US because of all the murders, rapes, drugs, gangs and other crimes & criminals. East St. Louis, Chicago, Oakland, and most large cities in the US are far more dangerous than Mexico. Do a little research on crime statistics before sharing your ignorance with the world.

      • So, in other words, “go”. How genuous of you.

        • RTL

          My wife & I moved to Mexico quite recently. Best decision we ever made. I will never tell anyone what to do, but when people spout off with little or no correct information, I feel obligated to correct them.

          • Like you said “recently.”

          • RTL

            Yes, but I didn’t say how much time we have spent there before moving full time and that is approx. 20 years, so you can stop acting like you know everything. You are a tiny speck of a sample of what goes on in a huge country. You are not the be all, end all authority.

          • “Tiny speck”? Ask Los Pinos who I am.

          • In the context of the discussion here you should have told me. I wanted to alert you while also not scaring you.

          • Expat2MEX

            I’m with you 100 percent. These people are as ignorant as a bandit on an airplane wing.

      • Expat2MEX

        Just remeber, RTL: this comment board is dripping with fools.

    • Expat2MEX

      Where do you live? Got it. The bozone, somewhere between E Pluibus Unum and the power of your own illusions…

  • Peter Maiz

    Mexicans are a happy people with a good sense of humor. A great majority are never affected by the mafias or government corruption. Nevertheless, poverty for the bottom 30 % is a shame. Most people here are not bilingual or bi-cultural and then cite as they do. What makes people happy in Mexico is a bond in family relationships. In Mexico, as opposed to the U.S., if you’re born in a town, you’re likely to stay there. In the U.S., if you’re born in Maryland, you could end up in Texas because you were transferred. You live in a suburb where you’re not ever likely to bond with your neighbors. You may spend 4 hours commuting to work. Thereafter, your best friends will be the people at “Fox and friends”.

    • What do you mean by the mafias ‘or’ government?

      • I’m guessing he means drug lords and the Government officials they hire. I hear about this problem often from immigrants (I’m a US Citizen–before I became disabled, I taught English to immigrants). I agree that the focus on family could be a big part of why people are happy. Unfortunately, fear that family members may be harmed by drug violence issues is a common reason why immigrants come to the US. I have observed that in any given US community, the local Mexican immigrants tend to have all come from the same Mexican community, so immigration doesn’t disprove the community relationships comment. We should all cultivate a good sense of humor, and we should stop being so paranoid of others. With all the Latino immigrants I have met over the years (about half of them from Mexico), I have YET to meet a criminal. All the criminals I know were born in the USA…

    • ” In Mexico, as opposed to the U.S., if you’re born in a town, you’re likely to stay there.”

      Tell that to the millions of Mexicans long-instructed (ex: “Sigame”, the “This Migrante Mexican”) and sent to every nook and cranny in the USA against their wills by the MxGovernment.

    • Güerito

      “Mexicans are a happy people with a good sense of humor.”

      This kind of zoological classification of Mexicans does not help your argument ….

      • rumbera

        That depends on what you consider poverty. The US suffers from poverty of spirit. That’s why we have Trump and his followers.

        • Güerito

          Peter claimed only 30% of Mexicans live in poverty. I was simply correcting his error.

          • If the MxGovernment claimed 30%, the true figure would still be closer to 90%.

          • Expat2MEX

            More nonsense.

          • Still refusing to tell the readers what “‘paracaismo'” is? Or don’t you know?

          • Güerito

            Not too far from the truth. I’ve been waiting for MND to report on this. The PRI government has resorted to manipulating poverty statistics after earlier reports showed poverty increasing in the first two years of EPN’s term:

            Mexico opposition blasts stats agency for changes in poverty survey:

            “Opposition lawmakers criticized Mexico’s independent statistics agency on Tuesday for changes in polling techniques in a survey that suggested income among the poorest Mexicans had jumped by a third.

            Lawmakers said the survey, published on July 15, created suspicions that pollsters had manipulated data in order to show a drop in poverty after a previous study had shown poverty increased in Mexico in 2014.

            The survey sparked a scandal in Mexico after CONEVAL, another government agency that measures poverty using INEGI’s income data, said the statistics agency’s survey was not “congruent” with other published data.

            Last July, CONEVAL had said that the number of Mexicans living in poverty had risen to 46.2 percent of the population in 2014 compared with 45.5 percent in 2012.”

            http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-poverty-idUSKCN10708D

            Since this report, the INEGI statistician responsible for administrating the change has resigned.

          • Peter Maiz

            This could be true. Since the price of oil has decreased, Mexico has pulled back in expenditures to social programs, education and health benefits (reported by Milenio today). But the argument here is whether Mexicans are happy, not if the PRI is corrupt or not. Graft in Mexico dates back to the viceroys. Mexican government was called “the most perfect dictatorship” by Mario Vargas Llosa. Since the PRI had a monopolistic hold of Mexican politics, many abuses were to be expected. But the question still is “are Mexicans a happy people”. Like in all countries, there are Mexicans that are happy and some that are not. But I still believe there is a “purity of soul” among the poor, not to be seen in societies where the mighty currency is the ultimate mantra. I use currency here as a euphemism to replace another word, as I don’t wan’t some expats to get upset at me. As far as I’m concerned, all Americans of good will are welcome in Mexico. I wish the U.S had a similar policy.

          • Peter, Unfortunately it-s all propaganda. Until you know how Mexico”s governance operates, and what for, iyou can’t know.

          • PRI is a symptom, not the cause. Spain’s “Viceroys” in Mexico only compounded the system already long in place and ongoing. This article is a deliberate farce written by Expat (Kellogg ?) with so-called “statistics” invented by yourself.

          • Changing parties, or even governments, is only cosmetic. PRI has a long history of supporting only apparent opposition so as to only appear to have any. The objectives and resulting procedures for good and just governance cannot be rule.

          • Peter Maiz

            I believe I said 40% live in poverty.

          • Güerito

            Your post, at this minute, still says “poverty for the bottom 30%.”

        • Expat2MEX

          Rumbera,

          These people are only complaining because their own lives are in such shit, and many of them experienced nothing but failure and heartache here in Mexico. They should have never come. They were looking for something here they still haven’t found back in E Pluribus Unum. It is pretty pathetic to see these people revel in their own self-pity.

          I always have, and alsways will continue to love this second country, the land so distant from America, and I have no more time for the people who missed that and now have nothing more to recall than a complaint. I have friends like that in the US. I just tell them: Get the fuck OVER IT! Please!

        • Expat2MEX

          Rumbera,

          I love Mexico, but I have no problem with Trump, other than his insert-your-foot-in-your-mouth syndrome. he is a builder, as was his father, and if he becomes President, I look forward to when he shuts the border and reopens it with noew crossings where my good friend can cross without all the BS laws of the idiotic DHS and its people have put in place to kill our commerce.

          Obama understands none of this despite his degrees. he deports families like they were slaves (but at least slaves were “legal””, eh?), and he is as dupliticous as a snake on the hunt for more helpless mice. Trump will reopen the border after closing it and building the wall, with crossing for LEGAL immigration and a big “Bienvenidos” sign which will for the first time mean what it says.

          If we get Clinton, all hell will break loose at the border within months. She is what old Zorba called, “the full disaster”.

          I prefer Trump, despite his on-and-off idiotic comments.

          • Peter Maiz

            Trump is impulsive and a menace, with all due respect. He is a full demagogue. Since you’ve worked in a military capacity, consider this: About two months ago, he had a very well thought of international policy expert for about an hour. Trump asked the man 3 times why we couldn’t use tactical nuclear weapons “if we had them”. So now we’re going nuclear because Trump must have his way? And I am of the opinion that volatile areas of the world were caused by very misguided U’S. policies. And I am not one to be exuberant about “crooked Hillary”. I also resect those who don’t see my point of view.
            Unfortunately, the U.S. is under the grasp of a neoliberal economic structure and the more dangerous neo-cons. Just my two cents.

          • Nonesense.

          • rumbera

            Thank you! Your comment confirms my statement. Has it not occurred to you that his idiotic comments are because he IS an idiot?

          • Admirable but the wall will not work if the MxGoverment, it’s Consulates, Institutos, Associations, Chambers, Clubs —no matter how even mislabeled— remains in the US. Indeed, there may be no need for a border wall if, as a start, its Consulates were walled-in. I’d even grant amnesty to every illegal who took a brick out of their closest MxConsulate, laid it to wall in the Consulate and personally coyoteed any of its staff, stripped of ID and money, along the same mean road that government had sent them, to the border and kick their rotten asses across into the arms of their families and friends eagerly waiting.

        • Peter Maiz

          The U.S actually has quite a bit of real poverty. Unless you consider flipping burgers at a Burger King a sustainable wage to live “The American Dream”.

          • rumbera

            And frankly, I would prefer to be poor in Mexico than in The US.

          • Peter Maiz

            So what are you doing in Mexico helping the poor??

          • rumbera

            I just got here a couple of months ago, but my intention is to sell beautiful Mexican handcrafts Internationally, so in a sense I suppose I will help support the artisans families and preserve their traditional culture. Why?

          • Peter Maiz

            And are you in Yucatan?
            there is beautiful embroidery in Yucatan, not to mention that everybody in Yucatan, even the wealthy, sleep in hammocks. Curious tradition.

          • “Curious tradition”? It’s a necessity. Mattresses would be colonized by bugs in no time in the clime. But there is really no reason for you to know. After all, Campeche, the Yucatan and Quinlan’s Roo is not Mexico.

          • rumbera

            Not at the moment, but I will be going soon.

          • Go to the villages like Coba. Tell them “don Gabacho” says “hola”! Same if you should meet Serapio, or sons, of Punta Laguna where they called me, and knew me as, “Poppy.” Thanks

          • Certainly doesn’t get as cold.

      • If the MxGovernment admits to at least 50% than the true “statistic” must be closer to 90%.

        • Peter Maiz

          You have a very sick mind, Pastore, go back to the States and join the Trump crowd where conspiracy theories are the new realities.

          • I am in the States Peter. Now go back to your conspiracy that there can be no conspiracies. It serves your government terribly well.

      • Peter Maiz

        First, the figure is about 40% Secondly, money, per se. doesn’t make you happy. Just ask all the “trumpies” who are likely unhappy, filled with rage, xenophobia and hatred (and fully uncouth and ignorant to boot) if they’re a happy people. People that live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones, you know.

        • Güerito

          The lastest government figure is exactly 45.5%, as I posted above. No need to guess, etc.

          Unfortunately, we probably won’t be seeing any more future poverty numbers because, as I cite above, the Mexican government has chosen to manipulate economic census data rather than attempt to tackle the severe poverty problem in the country. The government’s own agency that calculates the poverty figures said it no longer can do so, since the census bureau has become too politicized.

          As to your comment on the cause of increased poverty in Mexico, the latest figures (showing the % up to 45.5%) cover the years 2012-2014. This preceded the large drop in the price of oil on the world markets. The price of oil was over $100 a barrel throughout most of 2012-2014. Since January 2015, it’s been around $40.00

          But you’re right. The huge budget cuts now being made by the federal government, due to dropping oil prices, will certainly lead to increased in poverty in the near future.

    • Expat2MEX

      Well said Peter. I was at a small hospital today and they treated my arm and signed me up without a hitch. People have changed in the staff there over the years, but to a person, everyone is friendly and competent. No, it is not MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, but many health facilities in Hermosillo are very well equipped to handle all health issues. I’m fortunate not to need them because of Medicare and my relative proximity to the border, but I go to the doctor here when I need to. Today was a good example. Total bill $100 pesos for the new registration and treatment of my pretty bad wound. Do the math at 18 pesos to the dollar.

      Yes, I know many people in the 30 percent who have nothing. Thankfully they receive the same very good health care as I can get, only they don’t pay a dime for it….or even a peso.
      I could rant about the sicarios and the corruption and all the other stuff, but I live here and understand the conundrum which is MEXICO.

      • Peter Maiz

        Yup, although government politicians engage in graft, Mexicans get free health care, free college tuition and many other social programs that target those in need. Naturally, they won’t get the “full umbrella” as Mexico doesn’t have the resources. When Mexican governors go beyond the pale, they’re voted out through free elections, as has just happened in my state of Chihuahua. Also, the middle class has exploded many fold in the last 25 years. Perhaps in real terms, the economy is and has been stagnant. If Mexico has a nominal growth rate of 2.5%, it would be much higher if it did not have the drug cartels.

        • Peter, You are getting thoughtful. Mexico’s problem, and most, if not all, of Latin America:s countries, are not their governments per se, nor the political ideologies those governments claim to have or uphold. It is in their common objectives for, and resulting procedures of, governance.

  • thelug

    then why are so many crossing the border to find work ?

    • Nancy Massi

      Exactly.

    • Mark Schneider

      Maybe because the minimum daily wage is 70 some odd pesos per day? That’s less than $5 USD PER DAY.

      • I was jailed in Mexico. Why? My English class there voted 63 to 0 that they wanted to learn the English needed to prosper in a Mexican vacation destination catering to English-speaking tourists and not the so-called ESL course “Sigame”, the English needed to colonize the USA for the MxGov. Teaching the English needed in Mexico was disallowed —brutally. Policias Judiciales saw to that. No matter how ironic it may seem, Mexicans love their country. They truly want to stay and just get that government and it’s governance out of Mexico. Hopefully enough Americans in the USA can get that so-called government and it’s governance out of the USA and get the ball rolling.. What a fiesta —for everyone— that would be! You can help or hinder.

        • Expat2MEX

          You don’t teach ESL in a foreign land, hombre. You are either a fraud or a complete dunce. And what the heck is your so-called MXGovernment? Please try to state your opinion clearly and maybe people will take you seriously. What you write is laughable. In your supposed 22 years here, you seemed to have learned nada, other than to rant about the government.

          • “Dunce”? You teach English as a First Language in a “foreign land”?

          • Expat2MEX

            Unbelievable. EFL, you have just removed all doubt as to your ignorance. English as a Foreign Language. Ever administered a TOEFL to one of your so-called English students? Highly doubtful. You lie about your credentials, or they are so thin even a politician could see through.

            I taught at a real federally chartered university here, and have the credentials of many years (and the very good paycheck stubs to prove it). As I said, you sound like a fraud to me, like most of the rest of the ignoramuses who post about Mexico. Please say something about something you know about. I have already forgotten more than you could ever hope to know about this country.

            Next….

          • I taught ESL in Mexico. I do not teach English in the USA since getting back to the USA. Why? Because operatives of the MxGov have taken over the language schools here in the USA having English taught as a Second Language to speakers of foreign languages, “ESL,” and not “EFL” “English as a First Language.” What “rings true” here is your nastiness being signature of a MxGov troll.

          • Expat2MEX

            Ok, we are getting somewhere, perhaps. First, I have absolutely no relation, and never have with any part of the Mexican government. When I was a Licenciado as an EFL teacher, I was paid by the state, and was paid equally to the Mexican teachers who were in the union, along with bonuses – even though I was not a citizen and therfore could not be a union member. They treated me with respect, in the highest sense of the word, and I never had to pay the dues either. I would have happily paid them. I was a proud union elevator constructor in the US for many years and never too reticent about sayinjg I supported their efforts to get the minimum wage increased for ALL people, not just in their own unions.

            I’ve also worked at will in Arizona, and I taught soldiers how do do certain things before they were deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. I have taught Mexicans and kids and soldiers too. I have travelled to ove 25 countries and been to all but 4 states. I have grandkids. I had a newspaper, I ran for office once, and I did much of the writing behind the Amrmy efforts in Iraq and AFG.

            I am very happy to be here with the hundreds of people who knpw me well, and I get real sick real fast of people who say they know about Mexico.

            What you have said most recently confirms that you regard Mexican interference in the US education as undesirable. Well, I agree with that, with one caveat.

            Some of the people I know from here also teach in Douglas at Cochise College, and despite the fact they don’t really understand some of what us gringos think of education, they often bring with them some very good ideas. They are not my enemy. They are friends, though even as you say, sometimes misinformed or otherwise misdirected in their way of doing things in the US.

            If you have had a bad experience with this kind of thing, just state it and expand. I would be as interested as anyone in hearing your viewpoint and experience as any.

            But to trash the entire government of Mexico I think is both immature and wrong. Like the US, they have good and bad people in it. I hope you can agree at least on this.

            I am here after seeing a lot of war and even more of politics, and we do not need more of that. I know all about the cartels and sicarios and all the stuff from the dark side, but I live on the sun baked side.

            I’m just gewtting too old to listen to BS anymore. I wish you the best.

          • “I have no relationshipwith… the Mexican Government. I was licenciado…” Ja!Ja! Ja! Basta! We are not getting somewhere because you don’t even know where you’ve been much less are. Seriously bug someone else or I’ll have to conclude that this virtual paper and it’s article is nothing more than a MxGov fishing expedition searching for who to shut up. With you being its eager reeler.

          • Expat2MEX

            I have already forgotten more about this countrey than you could ever hope to know. Take your cast off theories, racist beliefs and other idiocies and place them squarely where you best feel good about them. You hold no quarter with me. You are so vastly inferior to even the most poorly educated American that it takes a lot of patience on my part to have written even a sentence to your pathetic soul. You need to rethink your entire existence if you have any hope to get anywhere but jailed up in your world of complaining about NOTHING!

          • Expat2MEX

            “this virtual paper and it’s article is nothing more than a MxGov fishing expedition”

            So what if it is? What is so terrible about any of it? You just can’t accept the truth that millions are happy here but that it doesn’t fit the perverted idea of what YOU think of as “happy”?

            Get a life, if you still have the time.

          • Expat2MEX

            You are a jealous bitch, John. But I tried to reform your stupid ways and get you out of your self-imposed prison of the mind.

            You remind me of what we called the terrorists that in Iraq that when I was there. Jealous bitches. Maybe you are a wannnbe terrorist. You sound like one. I loved to hunt them. I hope you get out of prison before you can no longer think for yourself.

          • “…federally chartered here…! In Mexico. In other words a MxGov Federally Charted Troll. So? Why not tell the readership what a ‘paracaidista’ is? And who —what entity— sanctions the cruds?

          • Expat2MEX

            Don’t even try. You are way off your plot.

          • “Next”

          • Expat2MEX

            Sorry, I thought you might have already known what a federally chartered school is in Mexico. Go look it up. You are getting far too tiresome to try to exert any more effort to educate.

          • amamanta a su propio viento

        • Peter Maiz

          Did it even occur to you that your paragraph above is completely incomprehensible. If the Mexican government is so vicious to the people, why are the poor provided with free medical care? Why are Mexican public colleges free of charge? Why are basic staples subsidized?

      • Expat2MEX

        Nonsense.

        • Mark Schneider

          What is nonsense? That the minimum daily wage in Mexico is less than 80 pesos per day?

          • Expat2MEX

            If you had a clue about the reality here, you would know that even the lowest paid worker takes home many times the stated minimum. Not so in the US.

            Yes, the minimum is small by the corporate capitalist urban US standards, but it goes well enough around to support a family here. I am really tired of all you US complainer know-nothings. Go do something for the homeless in your own communities and stop hollering BS about a country you know NOTHING about and bitching like little spoiled kids.

          • Güerito

            This is a common misconception among ex-pats living in Mexico. Just because you pay your maid 3X the minimum wage for 4 hours of work, does not mean the rest of the country is so lucky.

            There are more than 2 million full time Mexican workers receiving the minimum wage, or less. Less than $4.00 USD a day.

            More than 10 million are earning the equivalent of two minimum wages. Less than $8.00 USD a day. This includes more than 2 million Mexicans with at least some college education.

            This is consistent with my experience in Mexico after working many years in retail. For the average Mexican, 150 pesos a day (8 bucks) is a good wage.

            The artricles below also state that new job growth in Mexico is coming overwhelmingly in these low paying jobs.

            http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/articulo/periodismo-de-datos/2015/12/6/crece-empleo-en-el-pais-mal-pagado

            http://www.actitudfem.com/hogar/mamas/6-de-cada-10-empleados-mexicanos-ganan-menos-de-6-mil-pesos-al-mes

          • Peter Maiz

            Thank you, expat, and it is a pity that so many Mexicans are so poor but perhaps not unhappy. Money, per se, doesn’t give you happiness. In my state (Chihuahua) if you get a flat tire on the freeway, a poor family will stop to change the tire for you and refuse a tip for having helped you. Now, that is what I would call gratitude. Mexicans have what I would define as a “kindness” streak, especially the poor. I just don’t see where some ex-pats don’t see that. If Americans living in Mexico are unhappy, let them take their unhappiness elsewhere.

          • Peter Maiz

            Not to mention that in the U.S. you could be a college graduate, have 30,000 or more in college debt and possibly be underemployed or flipping hamburgers.

          • The remedy is simple. Get rid of all the Faith-based, Hispanic-based, Gender-based, Race-based Federal Educational Grants seeding the additional and exorbitant costs of phoney subjects, false professorships, etc. that, ultimately, have to be paid; but would n’t if they didn’t, as they shouldn’t, exist.

          • Nonsense.

          • Mike Snyder

            I wasn’t going to comment, but you are so wrong it is scary. Minimum wage means exactly that, and unskilled workers are lucky to make even that. I lived in Mexico for 15 years, and left last year. The crime is unstoppable, the corruption is on steroids with politicians such as Moreira and Duarte stealing BILLIONS of dollars. There is no justice in Mexico, and there is little hope for the poor, especially the Indigenous people. And if you think the minimum wage in Mexico is adequate to support a family, you must be in New Mexico. You speak of things you are unfamiliar with.

          • Expat2MEX

            I did not say the minimum wage is adequate to support a family. I said that the lowest wage paid to even the most basic laborer is 3-5 times the minimum, and that is pretty much across the board throughout the republic. I stated I have lived in Sonora for nearly 20 years, mostly on except when I went to the war zone or fought off the big C. That would be Sonora, MX, not Sonora NM, USA.

            I know hundereds of Mexican families of all financial means, and even the poorest ones make many times the minimum. Even in 2006, when I worked for the state as a teacher (3 years), I was paid less than my Mexican counterparts (if your include some benefits I didn’t ceceive), and I was paid 12 times the 2016 daily minimum wage. At the time, I knew no one of dozens, including the poorest ejiditario, who made less than 20 pesos per hour for a 6-8 hour day. I personally paid my bricklayers 35 pesos an hour in 2004, and now I pay them about 45-60 pesos an hour. Some make 90 pesos an hour, and this is a rural area. No gringos around ‘cept me. The local factory pays a lot better than I do, and Grupo Mexico pays 3-5000 pesos a week.

            How much more info do you people need to catch up with the reality here in MX? The stated minimum daily wage means nothing here ! It is the law of supply and demand, and everyone is working and doing better here then when some of them were up in Arizona or Utah or California or Nevada during the so-called Bush years of boom and bust.

            Most people in the US are so convinced that Mexico is just cartels and soldiers and poor and dead students and sicarios that they have NO idea that there are 200 million people here, and it is only a small slice who are on the truly criminal side. Compare that with the corrupt Clinton regimes and no wornder trump wants the wall. I do too, to make it better for both sides. As far as I’m concerned, when he wins, I hope he closes the border until the wall is built. That way when people cross, they can do so legally, and not have to worry about all the liberal BS I have been hearing about from Obama and Clinton!

      • That would be a fourteen hour day and tortillas and beans at lunch time.

    • Expat2MEX

      To find work. Next question?

    • Because the MxGovernment is disallowing enough to work in Mexico. From long-held bank jobs to growing even corn on what had been their own lands.

  • Nancy Massi

    I am an expat living in Mexico, and I can tell you that what this article states is simply not true.

    • Mark Schneider

      What parts of the article aren’t true?

      • Mark, the article is an invention of the MxGovernment. Hope that helps.

        • Expat2MEX

          Helps you write about your delusions, maybe.

        • Peter Maiz

          Ah, forever the “cosmopolitan”.

      • Expat2MEX

        She hasn’t answered, has she?

    • Peter Maiz

      That is because you either don’t speak or understand the language and culture or both. You can therefore, not be integrated. For the last 10 years living in the States, I averaged about $ 100,000 a year but was so disgusted by American culture, I just left. As a reference, my Mexican father constantly made about $ 350 to 400,000 (dollars) a year, and he was not a politician. My family has, for generations, been anti-PRI because of the corruption involved. If I were in Costa Rica, Canada. France, or India, I would be happy to learn and enjoy these cultures. If the 3rd world isn’t your cup of tea and if you can’t incorporate into the culture, leave Mexico.
      The big issue for you is this: have you been mistreated by the people? Most, if not all of Mexicans that go “north” are constantly berated by vicious racism and discrimination. Granted, Mexicans in the U.S. are not cultured or well educated. But why would a cultured and well educated Mexican go “north”? To pump gas at Chevron? With all due respect to expats living in Mexico (and I don’t know who you guys are, surely not the Princeton, Harvard types, you are certainly encouraged to leave. The U. S. has from time immemorial had a strong tradition of xenophobia.
      Having said that, I understand that many Mexicans stereotype Americans. Nevertheless, as my dad always said, “when in Rome, do as the Romans do”.

      • Nancy Massi

        I do a great deal of work with the poor in my area, as well as various orphanages. Many turn to theft, or selling drugs, to better their financial standing. Just about every one I’ve met considers the US as a dream destination, a place they want to live. Of course there are Mexicans who make money, both in Mexico and elsewhere.
        Sadly, I work with those who live in homes that are, many times, pieces of fiberglass connected together, bits of roofing welded somehow, no glass for windows, strips of cloth for doors. I can tell you that all of the poor I have talked with are NOT happy. They are prey to disease, they can’t afford medications, they have no sewage or running water, whatever nice possessions they may have had, had been stolen. Those individuals who fortunately have some income, are pretty well content.
        Those replying to my comments don’t need to resort to insults; it simply cheapens what you have to say.

        • Like kids in a wide open candy store.

        • Peter Maiz

          You work with the very, very poor. Of course, they’d like to better their lot. I, as a Mexican, don’t feel good for their lot. Here, in the “industrial north” we see poverty but it is, by no means, the majority. In my home town, the majority of the people are middle class. As a city, Chihuahua has always had the 2nd highest standard of living in Mexico after a very wealthy suburb outside of Monterrey. The fact that government will not, cannot, or can’t afford to help these people is very scarry. Mexico’s more industrialized towns, for example, Queretaro, are very prosperous, notwithstanding the obvious hubs of poverty. No insults, just my observations. Regards,

        • rumbera

          Have you worked with the poor and the many homeless in the US inner cities?

        • Nancy, Show the kids the movie “The Cinderella Man.” Hope that helps.

      • “Mexicans that go ‘north’ are constantly berated by vicious racism and discrimination.” You mean long-instructed and sent whether they like it or mostly not. A few days ago the —granted not yourself—Presidente de Mexico, Nieto, himself even admitted it when threatening to “call [them] back.” It is the MxGovernment in the USA which, and deliberately so, has the MSM play the race and “immigration” cards to transfer blame to Americans and attention from its malicious self —–its, in truth, “colonization” of the US— to the ‘hapless’ illegals. No matter how disingenuous and brutal to even its own nationals. That so-called government even hides behind its nationals own children to do it.

      • “The U. S. has from time immemorial had a strong tradition of xenophobia.” Peter, You have it perfect reverse. Do you really believe your own government’s self-serving propaganda or just propagating it? Cantinfleando others or completely cantinflado?

  • Philip Mattingly

    I don’t know what the person that wrote this article was smoking. The average Mexican lives in constant fear for his life and deals with corrupt officials at every level of government. Friends and family get killed and disappear. A huge percentage of the male population is north sending money back to their families so they can just exist, leaving families without fathers and broken. What a completely stupid and misinformed article.

  • MarkS2002

    Nicest place I ever lived, which includes the Bay Area, Toronto, Vancouver, and the Yukon Territory. If you don’t like it, just stay home.

  • rumbera

    Things are far from perfect here in Mexico. But people in general are much happier than in The US. It’s quite obvious to me.

    • Not to disparage, but, having to learn it the hard way, and for so long, Mexicans have lower expectations —much lower.

      • rumbera

        Expectation is the root of all heartache. – William Shakespeare.
        Happiness equals reality minus expectations.- Tom Magliozzi.

        • Expat2MEX

          Tom Magliozzi, my hero of the world of sane insanity, cylinder by cylinder. May he RIP, but he was always at peace, wasn’t he?

    • Expat2MEX

      And obvious to me too. Mexico is not for the feint of heart, but neither is it for the heartless.

  • Close but not quite. But dangerous to discuss. For now,, fear existed before any Drug War itself always attributed impossibly to all misdeeds. As far as not having met any criminals among the migrants? In the dozen years since returning home from Mexico neither have I in almost every circumstance. I have encountered however armed coyotes, Federales posing as foremen of roving laborers, undisclosed Mexican so-called police, via dual citizenship, functioning in one case as a Police Chief, and even Officials of the MxGovernment in the USA having and allowed to have unlimited numbers of US Voter Registration Forms since at minimum, according to themselves, “2004.” Stay away from them and the “legals” who are any way associated with the MxGovernment in the USA, or trying to ingratiate themselves to that government, and everything is just fine. Don’t cross them though. Being in the USA nowadays is no longer protection.

    • Expat2MEX

      “But dangerous to discuss.” Geez, I thought you lived on the safe side.

      • So what”s new with your being wrong? Striving to lead others wrong? Still questing for the Grande Plume of the Order of Quetzalcoatl be stuck in your beanie by El Presidente himself. No many how many prepotente pills you swallow, nobody likes a traitor.

    • Peter Maiz

      Mexico, population of 122 million. People involved in scum illegal activities, negligible. 22% of the U.S. population use or have used illegal drugs although marijuana should not be in this category. That’s about 70 million people. Any other thoughts, Mr. Pastore? Grigos using meth, shooting heroin or addicted to coke, I’m sure are so happy they’re jumping up and down with glee.

  • Expat2MEX

    Nonsense

  • Expat2MEX

    Notice:

    There is no MXgovernment. Never was, never will be. There is no USgovernment. Never was, never will be.

    Just politicans and BS coming from complainers who live off the poiwer of their own illusions.

    Now when Donald Trump wins, perhaps we can talk again.

  • Peter Maiz

    Undocumented workers normally don’t commit crimes. They are more likely to pay their mortgage on time than other groups. I believe they pay social security payments but will not receive social security. They live a “hell” on earth constantly fearing deportation. Illegal entry into the United States has been diminishing in the last 8 or so years. Mexicans, whether illegal or not are returning back to Mexico. Mexicans may not be perfect but no country in the world is “perfect”.

    • They do fear “deportation.” Especially fom their own Consulates’ “Protection [Racket] Departments” for not just failing their government’s mission for them but also not towing that government’s line.

  • Tom Allen

    Perhaps it depends on where you live in Mexico. I would suggest people in Detroit have it worse than people who live in Denver. Economic division is a plague that effects the world, its not just a Mexico problem. Not that I turn a blind eye to the abject poverty and injustice that can be found it Mexico I just find the overwhelming difference of a family oriented society and deeply rooted kindness and compassion outweighs the economic problems. When I go up north for a visit, the coldness and monotony of upward mobility and the palpable rage you can sometimes feel sends me screaming back to Mexico. I am not a Mexican but I can attest that it is indeed a happy country and I hope that it does not go the route of unbridled capitalism.

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