A murder scene yesterday in Los Cabos. A murder scene yesterday in Los Cabos.

Another bloody week in Baja California Sur

There were 35 homicides, mainly in Los Cabos and La Paz

The violence continues in the state of Baja California Sur: 35 people were killed during the last week, most in La Paz and Los Cabos.


Yesterday morning the bullet-riddled body of a security official was found in a vehicle in the Pueblo Nuevo neighborhood in Los Cabos after residents reported hearing gunfire.

Fernando Rojas was a 24-year veteran of the local ministerial police and most recently assigned to the C4 (integrated command, control, communications and computer) security force.

He was one of seven murder victims yesterday: five were killed in a gun battle last night in the El Zacatal neighborhood of San José del Cabo, and another was gunned down two hours earlier near the city’s Telmex office.

On Tuesday, state boxing medalist Ángel Nery found himself in the midst of a gunfight, also in El Zacatal, and died in the crossfire.

Two days later a dismembered corpse was located near a preparatory school in the Las Garzas neighborhood. The day before residents had reported that a man had been kidnapped in the vicinity of the Attorney General’s headquarters.


Thursday closed with a total of six homicides.

The following day there were four more while on Saturday seven individuals were executed.

Fifteen of the week’s homicides were committed in La Paz, 19 in Los Cabos and one in the northern municipality of Mulegé.

Interior Secretary Álvaro de la Peña Angulo acknowledged in a public statement that violence has indeed spiked in Baja California Sur, quoting data from the state Attorney General’s office that indicated that between May and November there were 376 homicides, 123 of which took place in October alone.

De la Peña said 76 firearms, 110 magazines, 1,954 cartridges and two fragmentation grenades have been seized by C4 since May, along with 94,000 hits of marijuana, 37,809 of crystal methamphetamine and 822 packages of cocaine, the equivalent of more than 20 million hits.

Source: El Universal (sp), Colectivo Pericú (sp), El Sudcaliforniano (sp)

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  • Mason

    Say good bye to tourism.

    • Ulev

      Once this story makes it across the border…Yes it will…..

      • BB

        Why? Were there tourists involved?

        • DreadFool

          just the 18 year old French girl raped and robbed …

          • beckybeckenridge

            Yes, the kinda stuff never goes on here

        • Mason

          yeah, don’t worry, nothing to see.. Just buy another ticket, hotel, car,…

  • DreadFool

    good thing many kids graduate as accountants, someone has to keep track of mayhem, pues.

    • Mason

      Or cook the numbers so the crime rate can be “lower then the ____”

  • Mike S

    That should bring rent prices down for expats. Government can’t control this problem, Maybe it’s time for the whole tourist industry in Cabo and Baja Sur and all the property owners to pass a tax and hire private police to take on the cartel criminals. Otherwise, an awful lot of money is going to be lost and an awful lot of jobs are going to disappear.

    • beckybeckenridge

      More shot in Chicago, over 700 already…. don’t see the rent going down there

      • Mike S

        Rents are always cheaper in high crime neighborhoods. Tourism and expat destinations are very sensitive to violent crime areas even if North Americans are not yet being targeted. It’s in the early stages in Baja Sur and it should be confronted now before it gets a strong hold. TJ used to be a fun destination but its tourism is gone. I’ve been going to Baja Sur since the early 70s. It is a magical place and it’s so sad to see this depravity creeping in. It all starts with out-of-control hard drug use in the US and guns and money flowing south. Mexico just facilitates what US Big Pharma and our criminal justice system exacerbates. Unless the US and Mexico become close co-operative partners solving this problem, it’s not going away on either side of the border. Once organized crime gets fully entrenched, it is very hard to eradicate. Trump will only make it worse…for whom the bell tolls…

        • beckybeckenridge

          I’ve owned a home in Baja Norte for over 15 years… only 3 murders up to date-during those 15 years… 2 – 1 committed by a Canadian and one by a U.S. citizen… The third, was a dispute over a fish… a FISH!

          If you’re worried about your safety there are many places in the US that are far more dangerous than my sleepy little Mexican fishing village. LA is now North America’s largest poorest (crime ridden) city- good luck with that!? Cities like Detroit, Baltimore, and Chicago are falling apart at the seams, the commonality among these cities is obvious!

          • Mike S

            I have been going to Mx for 55 years and have visited at least 20 of its 32 states. I’ve spent lots of time in Baja north and south. We all read about the bloody cartel drug wars spawned by the $40 billion a year drug addictions of Americans. Most of those addictions to opiods start with prescription drugs but that’s another story. I would say 85% of Mx is safer than the US and the 15% of the bad areas that are not are easily identifiable and avoidable. Drug cartels & organized crime do not target gringo retirees or tourists (not to say that petty theft is not a problem in all poorer countries). Despite Trump fanning the flames of bigotry against Mexicans here are the real numbers according to the state department and FBI.

            Last year 27 million Americans were in Mexico as tourists, retiree ex-pats, or on business. In 2016, a total of 75 US citizens were victims of homicide in Mexico according to our state department. Illegal activities (drugs) were suspected in 50 of those deaths. So 25 Americans were killed most likely from robberies, bad business deals, and love/jealousy motivations. Most of those were US citizens of Mexican-American decent with family ties in Mexico. So the murder rate per 100,000 population for gringo tourists and retirees is far far lower than every state, city, and village in the US !!! It is virtually infinitesimal. If you are not involved in illegal activities, chances of encountering violent crime in Mx is equal to getting struck by lighting 3 times at the same place the same day !

          • David

            I don’t think the bigotry is against Mexicans generally, but against Mexicans and Central Americans who live in the USA illegally and try to find all the loopholes to stay. Just like Mexico, the USA has rules about visiting and staying long term. Most of what we’re hearing about is people who aren’t respecting our rules, and it seems most of them are from Mexico and Central America. It’s too bad more Americans don’t travel past the border area into Mexico and see that it’s a real country, not just a place where everyone’s trying to break into the USA (which one might think from our news, because when we hear about Mexicans it’s always about illegal immigration), but many Americans do understand that.

          • Mike S

            I don’t think most Trump supporters make the distinction between Latinos who are here legally and those not. Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented Mexicans as a favor to GOP business interests who wanted cheap labor and union busting. That was followed by family chain immigration and the word got out …get to the US and hide out long enough and you too will eventually get legal status. There was weak border enforcement and undocumented people rarely got deported because that’s the way GOP business interests wanted it. Eventually the white middle class saw demographics changing (mostly in their schools) and felt threatened. Starting in 2008, border enforcement tightened and deportations went up; total number of undocumented Mexicans began declining. Coinciding with that was the total economic meltdown in 2008 caused by unsupervised Wall Street and Big Banks. Also there had been a long steady loss of manufacturing jobs due mostly to automation but also unfair trade with China. The angry white middle class wanted answers and illegal Mexicans were the perfect scapegoat for a conman like Trump.
            As far as the Dreamers go, we have an obligation to those people for allowing weak immigration enforcement for decades- we practically enticed them here.

          • David

            No we don’t have an obligation to people in USA illegally any more than Mexico or Guatemala does to people in those countries illegally All the above is a description of some facts, not all facts but some important ones. And yet … I am sure a lot of Mexicans would never think of sneaking into another country including USA and living illegally. Even if breaking the law is popular with a certain group of Mexicans, most don’t do it and would be ashamed to do it. And frankly those are the immigrants I would want from Mexico, not the sort that sneak in illegally.

          • Mike S

            Well, we certainly have a difference of opinion.Since 2008, recent arrivals and law breakers have been deported in large numbers and the total number of undocumented Mexicans has been slowly shrinking. Now with Trump, it’s suddenly a big problem and we need a wall and a gestapo breaking up families and long-term residents many with US born kids. Laws that were deliberately unenforced and ignored were not laws. If Mexicans got word of that and waltzed across the border to waiting jobs knowing well that they would not likely be deported if they were law-abiding, then I blame the employers far more than them. If you want to stop illegal immigration, you start with enforcing labor hiring laws with some teeth. There have been virtually no arrests of employers and few fines over the decades. People who have put down roots and have proved their worth and were enticed here….we have an obligation- especially for their children the Dreamers. You sound like Javert in Les Miserables. Our priorities aee scewed up- twenty trillion dollars disappeared in the 2008 economic meltdown and millions lost their jobs and homes and college dreams and not one person went to jail. .

          • David

            First something about “Trump supporters”, now the 2008 financial crisis etc. etc. but let’s stick to the issue. Laws that were broken by people who knew them.

            The way US system works is that laws are made by the legislature. Sometimes they can even get them enacted over a presidential veto. If the president is not enforcing the laws, that’s a president not doing his job, an AG appointed by that president not following his oath. It’s not Congress’ fault, but the fact is those laws were never changed by new legislation. If these people live here and don’t understand our system, despite being allegedly so “Americanized”, and they even invest money on housing knowing they occupy in violation of national laws … they’re responsible for the consequences. Their “occupation” does not trump our laws, in fact it’s important to enforce those laws so that they are not deemed invalid by some idea like adverse possession. I think you may see adverse possession playing out where newcomers took over ejidos, now it’s done and too late to push them off the land. We don’t want that to happen in the USA in favor of illegal immigrants. Pretty simple.

            We want to fix the legal loophole where some states implemented e-Verify, to require it nationally. But surely these illegals knew they were breaking the law when some states even had a system in place to prevent them from applying for a job.

            As for breaking up families, nobody proposes to do that. Deported adults, unless a court has found them very unsuitable or abusive (and we even have an immigration category for the children in that case if they are also illegally present), certainly have the right to bring their children home with them.

          • Mike S

            Number of undocumented Mexican residents in the US is 6 million out of a country of 325 million- That is 1.8% of our population. Half are “over stays” who came in legally and will eventually return and don’t plan on putting roots down so there are 3 million serious illegals or .9% of our population. Most live in California where they are well respected and liked for their hard work and rich culture. Their violent crime rate is far below the national average. Many pay into SS and Medicare and will never see those benefits. Their numbers have been going down steadily since 2008 when the border tightened and deportations increased. Then along comes Trump in 2016 who works his cult following into fearful frenzy that illegal Mexicans are taking over the country and probably fraudulently voting for Hillary (2 false demagogic statements). He calls them criminals and rapists…(quick protect your daughters and wives). They are stealing all your jobs (false).. Then he calls for a $35 billion wall to protect ourselves against this scourge. Do you realized what a fearful, bigoted, demagogic conman he is? This was a problem that was solving itself and that could be accelerated by enforcing labor hiring laws or well monitored guest worker programs. Maybe we should start doing something about Chines mercantilism or the 13,000 a year gun homicides or 60,000 drug overdoses spawned by Big Pharma. Maybe we should work on green/clean/renewable energy and global warming. Maybe we should work on a health care system that serves all Americans. Maybe we should increase funding for education. I don’t stay up at night worrying about the dwendling hard working Mexican farm workers.

          • David

            It’s not just Mexicans but a significant fraction of the illegals are Mexicans. Well respected in California — depends on whom you ask. I agree the wall should not be top priority, more important to get national e-Verify, stop chain migration, end diversity lottery, maybe end anchor baby loophole although that’s much much harder to do that funding a wall. Trump says the wall is needed as part of system to stop flow of drugs.

            I might agree with you about the guest worker program. The Bracero program under Eisenhower worked pretty well. And Trump is pushing back against China. The existence of other issues doesn’t mean this one gets a pass.

          • Mike S

            A wall will not make one iota of difference in illegal hard drugs. Where there is a lucrative market with high demand, there will be a supply- a wall will do nothing. Big Pharma is who gets most people going down the path to addiction and Mexico is just happy to surf that wave when addicts get cut off and turn to cheap street drugs.Trump has done NOTHING about China except putting a tariff on solar panels endangering 260,000 jobs for installers and placating his coal and oil backers. The Dreamer issue, the wall, and kneeling football players, fake news, etc etc are diversions while Trump/Ryan/McConnell quietly passed a 1.4 trillion tax cut for the wealthy. Next year they will go after Medicare, SS, and what’s left of Obamacare claiming we have to reduce those programs because otherwise the deficits will be too high.. Asians are the fastest growing group of undocumented residents but I don’t hear Trump talk about that much or illegals from Canada/Ireland/Russia/Eastern Europe/Pacific Islanders/South America who come in legally and then overstay long-term. He is fixated on his ugly wall because of the symbolism and fear of Mexicans he evokes in his followers and he can irritate his nemesis California who knows the emperor has no clothes.

          • David

            So do you agree with me that we should focus on nationwide e-Verify, removing the anchor baby loophole and cutting way down on chain migration? These policies would affect visa overstays as well as border jumpers, Asians and Europeans as well as Mexicans and Central Americans.

          • Mike S

            Absolutely on the e-Verify and the anchor babies. Chain immigration should only be for a spouse or children with some compassionate exceptions for elderly parents. I don’t think immigration should be based on wealth or political connections and the rule that anybody who invests $500k gets an automatic green card is wrong, Foreign students who get graduate degrees in needed areas and want to stay in the US should be allowed. We need to cut overall immigration numbers but not hinder diversity. I think we have a compassionate obligation to the Dreamers for not enforcing labor laws for decades in the past.

          • David

            I don’t know of a country where you can’t buy citizenship. In Canada it costs only $100,000. What is the benefit from excluding these job providers who are generally capable people who won’t (and their offspring won’t) use public assistance?

            We shouldn’t hinder nor help diversity. Diversity brings a lot of difficulties. It’s very encouraging that you would support ending “birthright citizenship”, which hardly any other country does.

            I know there’s a border culture in some parts of south Texas that was pretty nice. I just don’t think we can afford it any more with the drug trafficking, and human trafficking, so it seems a wall is needed. But it’s #4 or 5 on my priority list and it’s very expensive besides.

          • Mike S

            Canadian citizenship runs $800,000. The idea is of course to create investment and jobs but that’s rarely how it works in reality. Jared Kushner (Ivanka’s husband) family owns a big real estate investment company in NY/NJ. They were recently in China drumming up wealthy investors for a high end condo/hotel project. They were offering green cards to anyone who invested $500k. And that could mean green cards for spouses and kids included. That crap should be eliminated. Should every Middle Easterner or Indian who can afford a 7-11 get a green card as a bonus?

          • David

            I am sure it used to be $100,000 for Canada. Why did all those Chinese go to Vancouver when they’d rather be warmer in California? Because they couldn’t afford the ante in the US. That’s how Vancouver got its start.

            I’d rather those Indians running Patel Motels than the ones that gang together and just hire each other into our major corporations. They never do extra but play the system expertly. If these people don’t get into violent crime and don’t use welfare, and especially if they’re job providers rather than job occupiers, they’re pretty desirable immigrants. (See how different this is from the typical “Dreamer”, who has had the opportunity here but hasn’t done well with it. They should move on now. Exceptions can qualify under other visa programs if they are good enough.) Anyway I don’t think EB-5 is going to be a big deal one way or other in the immigration negotiations.

            But did you see how sour the Democrats in Congress were last night? Maybe some of their “ethnics” are going to start voting for Trump.

          • Mike S


            That was one whooper of exaggerations and lies Trump read off the teleprompter last night. Tax cuts for everybody everywhere with no explanation on how we are going to pay for them while increasing the military budget and launching huge infrastructure projects. Of course he didn’t mention that 90% of these cuts are going to the wealthy and that the middle class cuts are temporary. He bragged about decimating Obamacare without offering any alternative. He bragged about appointing Gorsuch to Merrick Garland’s stolen Supreme Court seat. He bragged about US energy independence (all done under Obama) and said “clean coal” is making a come back (false). He never mentioned the number of undocumented residents decreased under Obama. He never mentioned Obama had a comprehensive immigration bill passed by a bi-partisan senate and with a bipartisan majority in the House but was never voted on because the House tea bags wouldn’t allow a vote. He never mentioned Obama’s justice department “gang intervention” unit started the crack down on Central American gangs and deportations 4 years ago. He took a victory lap for Obama’s smart coalition defeat of ISIS without major US ground troops with no explanation of what’s next in Syria with Putin, Kurds, Assad, and Turkey. He bragged about the US car industry that was saved by Obama; GOP wanted to “piece it out” for sale in bankruptcy court. He bragged about a juiced up “over-bought” stock market cause by a 14% cut in corporate taxes with most tax loopholes still in place. He never mentioned Obama wanted a 10% reduction in corporate taxes along with closing tax loopholes and an infrastructure bank but was denied by McConnell and the tea bags. He claimed Apple was investing over $300 billion in US but the reality is $37 billion. Unlike the total economic devastation Bush handed off to Obama, Trump has ridden the coattails of a solid economy Obama handed off to Trump and he has had all 3 branches of government under firm GOP control. He never mentioned Putin’s interference in our elections. He never mentioned Big Pharma’s role in the opioid crisis. He says he is going to reduce drug costs…yea right. The coattails have ended- the real Trump economy has now started January 2018. Let’s see how he does.

          • David

            Did you see how sour the Dems looked last night? Some people are saying that was bad enough to affect the midterms in Rep favor. They didn’t even stand for low black and hispanic unemployment.

            We do need infrastructure spending, not Obama’s little “shovel ready projects”. Big spending. Finance has changed and now several government national debts are essentially unpayable, ours included. Might as well live well for now, get some infrastructure and stop spending on benefits for the nonproductive, including families brought in by illegal immigration and refugees that are net drains on the US economy.

            What’s next in Syria? Why is that my problem? As long as Israel keeps the Golan Heights and Iran is suppressed, let the Syrians work it out with whomever. Both GWB and Obama kept us involved in all kinds of wars and projects where we had no business, spending vast amounts of money.

            GOP isn’t clean either, it has been a bit of a “one party system” with corrupt elements from both parties, for example McCain. “Working across the aisle” has produced the most damaging outcomes.

            Obama did a good thing by bailing out the auto companies. That’s about the only good thing, but it is a good thing. As for the Individual Mandate, that’s unconstitutional and John Roberts’ attempt to justify it was transparent nonsense, but at least now it’s gone. What’s next? We’ll figure it out, but at least that monkey wrench (exactly as it was cleverly planned to be) is out of our governmental machinery, so things can work better now.

            Gang of 8 Amnesty would have been very bad for us, good for illegals. Trump is reversing those priorities. We don’t just need to solve the problem, we need to solve it advantageously — and in a way that doesn’t flood the country with permanent Democratic voters who can be expected to live off the dole and force a change in our culture. Other countries want to be like us, so we should protect and rebuild our culture, not bring in so much influence from second rate countries (I like the Mexicans I’ve met in Mexico, but this includes Mexico) that our own American culture is diffused, weakened, and even handicapped by affirmative action laws.

          • Mike S

            I believe in proven Keynesian economic practices and not disastrous “trickle down” nonsense that only helps the wealthy go “bargain hunting” when inevitable serious recessions result.


            You are completely blind to the obstructionism Obama faced for 6 years. I hope Trump doesn’t kiss Putin’s ass and sell out the Kurds and Ukrainians. I spent a lot of time in the Ukraine and they deserve our support. The Kurds did all the heavy lifting against ISIS and they deserve our support too. Dreamer are fully Americanized and for the most part very productive people. If you think all undocumented Mexicans should be rounded up by Trump’s gestapo and sent south, that your business but don’t call them unproductive or welfare recipients….simply not true. Many respected studies show illegal Mexicans are a net plus for our economy. With their numbers declining last 8 years, I don’t see it as a big problem. Follow your authoritarian bigoted narcissistic conman right over the cliff.

          • David

            But I asked for your reaction to what it’s like to be a Guatemalan in Mexico, or maybe a Honduran in Guatemala, or a Salvadoran in Honduras …

            You have Trump totally wrong. He’s not authoritarian. That would mean he’s making up rules. He’s actually repealing regulations faster than anyone before has done and enforcing rules Congress passed, which is his job description.

          • Mike S

            After Reagan basically destroyed the societies in Central America using all the unemployed special forces left over from Vietnam with his covert wars and right-wing death squads- large numbers fled to the US namely California. Remember Ollie North and Iran-Contra scandal? There they were unemployable and many ended up in prison and then deported. What a great education they took home. We are seeing the results of that destabilization 30 years later. For these poor down trodden people, Mexico is a dangerous place in the middle of drug cartel wars. Mother’s turning themselves in at the US border with babies.

            Trump would like an authoritarian police state if he could get away with it. He would jail journalists and prosecutors who offended him. You don’t see that? That has nothing to do with gutting the EPA. He would like to force the FBI to his will serving him instead of an independent law enforcement agency. He loves Putin and Erdogan and the Saudis. He admires his good friend authoritarian Abdel Fattah al-Sisi of Egypt. Trump hasn’t even read the Constitution and knows little of history because he doesn’t read. He hangs Andrew Jackson’s picture over his desk (read about the Trail of Tears).

          • David

            Yes I remember what Reagan did in Central America. I don’t approve of that, nor the long history of colonialism (United Fruit Company), and I think we had or may still have an obligation to re-stabilize those countries. To help the people in their own countries.

            I can’t give much credibility to your imaginings about Trump. The FBI is apparently about to be exposed in some really bad wrongdoing, and it leaned anti-Trump. Well no the FBI is not independent to that extent. There are words for agencies trying to get one candidate elected over another, or trying to depose or spy on the candidate or office holder they don’t like, and they aren’t very nice.

            You even imagine Trump hasn’t read the Constitution, which is absurd. Obama certainly read the 14th Amendment, which is about all it takes for the left to call one a constitutional scholar these days. Your recent comments seem exaggerated. Are you sure you’re not at risk of deportation from the United States?

          • Mike S

            Trump is the most unread president in at least the last 120 years. He knows nothing about science, little about history, and not much about economics/trade. He is a silver spoon fake businessman who won’t release his tax returns. His business success is mostly reality TV, beauty pageants, celebrity golf tournaments, and renting his “brand”. He had an army of lawyers on his payroll and sued and bullied his way to wealth. Every bankruptcy he left others holding the bag while he made money. He hasn’t read the NAFTA agreement. He already stated daily security briefings bore him. He mostly watches Fox News. He likes Alex Jones and Limbaugh and his AM clones. The man is an amusing entertainer and great conman carrying water for the plutocrats. He is morally rudderless. Overall, probably not as bad as Bush the moron, but that is not saying much.

          • David

            Boy are you deluded.

            Like any president he can buy the best scientific advice. Difference is, he has some family background in science, so he’s likely to buy the right advice. His uncle was an MIT physics professor, so he has a sense of what’s BS and what isn’t. No other president since Carter has had any scientific background or ability.

            I won’t release my tax returns either. He’s had only a few business bankruptcies out of hundreds of businesses he’s owned, a far better than average record, amazing actually. And investors knew they were buying equity with its attendant risks.

            If he hasn’t read the NAFTA agreement he has experts like Wilbur Ross to read it and tell him what it means and how it could be improved. I see now you’re worried about NAFTA too. I would have ended it already. Trump is giving it a chance.

            If you balieve the cover story that he spends his time watching Fox news, you’re an easy mark. He’s probably in the SCIF in his bedroom. If he weren’t, things would not have gone so well for him in the past year.

          • Mike S

            Your insults are entertaining. Are you a graduate of Trump University? Did you eat Trump steaks and drink Trump wine? Is your home loan with Trump Mortgage? Do you have frequent flier miles with Trump Airline? Do you drink Trump bottled water? Do you play Trump’s board game? Did you gamble at Trump’s failed Taj Mahal or Trump failed Plaza Casinos or keep a yacht at Trump’s failed marina? Did you subscribe to his failed magazines “Trump Style” and “Trump World” ? Did you drink Trump Vodka? Did you lose your deposit on any of his failed condos like the one in Baja: http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-baja-snap-story.html

            Did you do any sub-contract construction work for him and get stiffed?

            Trump crowed and crowed he was worth $11 billion when he was running in 2016. Bloomberg financial stated he MIGHT be worth $4.5 billion depending on the intangible value he puts on his “brand”. Other financial experts have stated that if he had put all the assets he inherited starting back in the 80s in a simple indexed mutual fund he would be worth more today. Some businessman. But we don’t know for sure because he won’t release his tax returns like every other modern president. Does he owe big money to Russian shady billionaires? He is a first-class conman just like his grandfather who ran a whore house. As Mark Twain said: “It’s easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled”. I guess you approve of his $1.4 trillion tax giveaway to the plutocrats all put on a credit card owned by the middle class. You are a white nationalist and that’s all that matters to you.

          • Mike S

            Don’t know the history of how and why Chinese took over Vancouver. It was/is a beautiful area with mild climate and in the 80s real estate prices were cheap. I love Vancouver and surrounding area. Believe me, there are lots of Chinese immigrants in California too. They are a huge source of anchor babies. All races and ethnicities of humans have the same individual potential. Different cultures and age groups have higher chances of embracing American values and assimilating. Mexicans assimilate quickly and in later generations overcome poverty and become productive, successful citizens fully Americanized.where as Muslims…not true. Discrimination plays a big role. The Irish and Italian immigrants had to overcome lots of prejudice to be fully accepted. I don’t believe wealth should determine immigration acceptability. Trump proves you don’t need to be poor to be white trash. None of this has anything to do with America’s obligation to the Dreamers.

          • David

            I don’t see any obligation to the Dreamers. If you feel obligated, you can give them some money or something. I don’t even use them to mow my lawn. I do that myself, unlike my neighbors who use crews full of illegals.

            I am telling you, the reason the Chinese flocked to Vancouver is that it was much cheaper than the USA. Those that could afford it went to the USA preferentially.

            “All races and ethnicities of humans have the same individual potential.” is a nice thought but (I assume you are speaking of some sort of average: average Mexican, average Chinese, average Irishman, etc.) not demonstrated in fact. Why not focus on individuals (you do speak of individual potentlal) and let the chips fall where they may.

            Discrimination? Yeah my Irish ancestors probably faced some of it. And they did fine regardless, because they were very bright. The immediately found professional roles in the railroad industry, no connections, just that they were qualified. Discrimination is all over the place. People like others that are similar to them, Mexicans included. Just try being a Guatemalan in Mexico! Rather than complaining about it, we should stop focusing exclusively on whites when they exhibit this absolutely normal behavior — which is much less common than with other races because of the 50 years of racial shaming we’ve put up with.

            I want you to answer some of my points for a change. What do you think of the way Guatemalans are treated in Mexico?

        • beckybeckenridge

          oh, my mistake- I was going by the UN & FBI data sets of murders by 100,000 in population… at 21 per 100,000 Mexico is very high but lower than 7 US cities- mostly (actually all) democrat strongholds for decades….

          • Sabe_Moya

            Mixed metaphor without cherry-picking, comparing apples to apples: on a nation-wide basis

            Mexico homicide per 100000 2016 = about 20
            US homicide per 100000 2016 = about 5.3

        • beckybeckenridge

          Oh yeah, the bell tolls for democrat BS

        • beckybeckenridge

          Chicago had the most homicides — 488 in 2015 — this year over 700 already; far more than the 352 in New York City, which has three times as many people. Baltimore had the largest increase — 133 more than 2014 — and the second-highest rate in 2015, after St. Louis, which had 59 homicides per 100,000 residents. OH HOLY CRAP -Mexico 21 , Saint Louis 59… although I graduated from a liberal university; 21 seems like a whole lot less than 59 ??? please help me understand my brilliant progressive sage…

      • PJ

        Not true, Becky. Less than 600 so far. Nice try, but thinking people see through it.

        There are cities in Mexico where 500 murders every two months are approached. Chicago is at 573 for the YEAR. Through October 31, 2017, Tijuana had 1,451, obliterating its former record of 900 SET LAST YEAR.

    • Russell Blake

      Well, perhaps rent will drop for expats, but so will property values, and it tends to be property values that sustain interest in a tourist destination like Cabo, not cheap rents. Detroit has really cheap rents, and so does Ciudad Juarez, but its property market is dead, which is the driver of prosperity, not $200 per month off one’s rent. Bluntly, as several gangs duke it out for control of the Los Cabos and La Paz plaza, nobody wins. Tourists will begin thinking of safer destinations – they don’t have to worry about being hit by a stray AK round in Maui, as an example. While it’s true that the violence is largely contained in the barrios, it’s leaking into more touristy areas, which is inevitable. A 2500 peso a week hired cartel killer who came over on the ferry and was handed an AK isn’t going to make distinctions between an area with hotels and rental cars, and a slum. He’s just going to shoot his target wherever he can. Three were just shot on Monday at a seafood restaurant in La Playita, across the street from a big tourist hotel, and footsteps from a really expensive expat community. How long until that affects property values, appetites for risk, and tourism in general?

      This is bad for everyone.

  • Donna Mace Imbert

    Where exactly is the Pueblo Nuevo neighborhood??

  • kallen

    “Interior Secretary….acknowledged in a public statement that violence has indeed spiked” – whew, these guys are sharp; can’t get anything by them!

  • Pesobill

    Another reason not to vacation or live there ..

    • BB

      So don’t vacation or live anywhere in NYC?