Mexico's only gun store, located in Mexico City. Mexico's only gun store, located in Mexico City.

Firearms sales spike over security worries

Mexico's only gun store sold an average 40 weapons a day last year

The number of people with registered firearms in their homes for self-defense has risen sharply over the past five years, statistics show, but whether gun possession actually makes them safer is debatable.

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In 2011, there were 145,939 homes with registered weapons but by 2016 that figured had spiked by 60% to 232,746, according to data from public policy think tank México Evalúa.

On average, 40 weapons were sold daily last year at the official Secretariat of National Defense (Sedena) store in Mexico City, the only place in Mexico where guns can be bought legally. Over the course of the year, that rate added up to total sales of 14,400 new weapons.

In total, there are almost 2.8 million firearm possession permits currently held by private citizens, legal entities and security forces, according to Sedena statistics, but just 3,076 valid carry permits that allow possession in public.

One of the growing number of people who have decided to purchase a weapon for self-defense is María de la Luz Gallo, a middle-aged woman who lives in the eastern zone of México state, bordering Mexico City.

Interviewed by the broadcaster Televisa after purchasing a pistol at the Sedena store, Gallo explained her motivations.

“. . . The situation is so dangerous now, I think that having a weapon at home provides a little security, or a little more security,” she said.

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“I really trusted the security of my neighborhood, the police, but now that we see what is happening, you can’t be too sure, so you have to protect yourself,” she explained.

Gallo admitted that she had never shot a gun before but will now learn how to use her new purchase at an authorized shooting range.

Another customer motivated by security concerns is Verónica Peña, who traveled from the western state of Jalisco to the Sedena store where she spent over 13,000 pesos (US $675) to buy a pistol and 200 cartridges.

Asked whether she thought the gun would help her, Peña responded “well, I’m going to feel calmer.”

“One prefers to be calmer [by having] weapons at home . . . [there are] robberies, kidnappings, everything,” she said.

Apart from selling weapons and registering their possession, the Defense Secretariat is also responsible for issuing licenses, a process that takes between 15 and 45 days after customers present the required documentation.

“They asked for my birth certificate, proof of address, identification and a document that shows I don’t have a criminal record,” Gallo said.

For a carry permit to be granted, psychological and toxicology tests are also required as well as a medical exam.

The director of weapons sales at Sedena explained that where customers live dictates what kind of weapon they are allowed to buy.

People living in urban areas are limited to handguns whereas those living in rural areas can purchase a rifle or shotgun, Colonel Eduardo Téllez Moreno said.

However, any assumption that gun ownership translates into a decreased vulnerability to violence is strongly challenged by statistics from Brazil, where according to Insight Crime, homicide rates were about 50% higher per capita last year than in Mexico.

A firearms expert from the Igarapé Institute said that studies in Brazil showed that weapon possession significantly increased the probability of death in violent encounters.

When a person responds to an act of aggression with a firearm, he or she is 180 times more likely to die, Ilona Szabó explained, while having a weapon at home increases the probability of being killed during a robbery by 57%. The presence of a weapon at home also increases the probability of a woman being killed in domestic violence by 272%.

Mexican statistics show that the use of guns in homicides is on the rise and experts have called for greater restrictions on firearm purchases.

Between 2009 and 2016, around half of all homicides were committed with a firearm but in 2017 that figure rose to 65%, according to México Evalúa.

In June — a particularly violent month — firearms were responsible for an average of two homicides per hour and numbers in October were even higher, breaking the record set in June.

This year looks certain to be the most violent since record-keeping began in 1997 but according to a declaration made by President Enrique Peña Nieto at a national security meeting earlier this year, organized crime is only responsible for half of all homicides.

The other half are the result of local crimes such as robberies, kidnappings and domestic violence, he said.

 Source: Televisa (sp), Animal Político (sp)

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  • jwd

    “When a person responds to an act of aggression with a firearm, he or she is 180 times more likely to die, Ilona Szabó explained” Wow! In a country where the vast majority of the population lives in fear and what does this article suggest, trying to defend yourself will only make it worse! Just accept what ever the “bad” folks want to dish out! Killing your sons and raping your daughters is not a big deal, right? I believe every house should have a weapon for self defense and the people should know how to use them!

    • Hailey Mannering

      Why should “every house” have a weapon ? The safe parts of Mexico are fine. Why tamper with success in those states or cities ?

      • jwd

        I was actually responding rhetorically, but I would ask, where do you think it is safe? And when I ask that question, I am not directing that question toward Gringo Tourist or the the Gringos that live in large concentrated groups behind locked gates in Mexico. I am directing that question as it affects the vast majority of Mexicans that earn less than 200 pesos a day, if they can get a job. I am a gringo and I feel safe in Mexico, but I do not have that same peace of mind for my Mexican wife, step-daughter and future grandchild. The people here are helpless to do anything about the atrocities committed against them. They can’t defend themselves and the government/police certainly are not going to defend them. Given that, yes, a gun in every household would be much better than the current situation where the criminals know the residence have no means to protect themselves.

        • Hailey Mannering

          Merida and all of Yucatan state are very safe for starters ! Please note I am saying Yucatan “state” not Yucatan “peninsula.” Most of us walk the streets of almost all areas of Merida alone at any hour. The US and Canadian government travel advisories only have advisories on some areas of Mexico. I am sure there are many other safe areas, such as Tulum, Q.R.

          • jarhead1982

            Nope, you arent god, and your claims are unsubstantiated = no proper data citations, links and such = you just lied

          • jarhead1982

            No they arent and no one cares what you say child, no proof = youre lying yet again

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            Did you know that Yucatan was one of the states that rebelled against Santa Ana? it wasnt just Texas. Texas is just the only one that won.

      • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

        Hailey, which part of our beautiful Mexico do you live in and which parts do you think are safe and successful states and cities?

        • I don’t live there, and would not due to the heat, but Yucatan is probably the safest area of Mexico.

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            thanks for your reply. I was asking Hailey. I live in Sinaloa and have for many years. From all the newspapers i read here in Mexico i would probably agree with your assessement that Yucatan is probably the safest but incidents of violence are on the rise there as well. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Have a great day.

          • Hailey Mannering

            Statistics don`t seem to indicate that having guns make for safer places. Incidences of violence make be on the increase here, but remain minimal. We walk around freely alone at any hour in almost all parts of the city. Why would I need a gun ?

          • jarhead1982

            Your kind only has cherry picked BS, half truths, lies and blatant lies to back up any of your claims, why is that….were gun control of only the law abiding such an proven solution you wouldnt have to lie at all to sell the solution….

            But since all anti gun advocates do is blatantly lie in support of your claims….its obvious youre hiding gun controls continued failures, you must be a criminal yourself

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            i read almost every day where a good guy or grandma etc, with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun in the US. Yes statistics do show that higher gun control cities like Chicago have higher incidents of gun violence.

          • jarhead1982

            Are guns alive Dallas, yes or no?

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            i have never seen any of the guns my family owns in the US breathe or shoot anyone by themselves, nor the guns that i have seen here in Mexico, so i would say no they are not alive. They are a tool just like any other tool. More people died from second hand cig smoke in the US than from all types of gun deaths. these anti gunners are goofy in my opinion.

          • jarhead1982

            Then quit using the anti gun nazees fake term gun violence as that is a possesive statement inferring guns are alive and magically responsible for causing violence when they are not

            Refuse to use their fake terminology as it has no value

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            ok. sounds reasonable. thanks. what do you suggest i substitute to not confuse the anti gunners?

          • jarhead1982

            Hailey Violence

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            ha ha. that made me laugh out loud. good idea. thanks.

          • jarhead1982

            I couldnt resist 😉

          • King Trollo

            erm, you mean new orleans with no gun control is the murder capital?

          • jarhead1982

            No he means New Orleans with a majority of demokraps is the murder capital, there fixed it for you

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            sorry, where do you get the idea that New Orleans doesnt have strict gun control? every article i read says the opposite.

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            interesting that every day in the US a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun. Ask Mr. Childress. of course you have no idea who that is. lol.

          • Hailey Mannering

            Incidents of violence are on the rise in some Canadian cities too. Yet almost no Canadians feel the need for a gun for protection – whether they`re in Canada or in Yucatan state – and a lot of Canadians feel safe enough in this state to spend time here !

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            interesting because i know lots of Canadians that come here and visit every winter and the majority of them own guns.

          • Hailey Mannering

            They`re likely a different type than those who go to Merida area. Merida is more of a cultural centre than a beach resort.

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            you are actually saying that Mazatlan founded in the middle 1500s has no culture compared to Merida? bless your heart. thats hilariously sad.

          • Hailey Mannering

            I am saying the gun owners are likely a different group of people than those who come to Merida, which has been around much longer than 500 years.

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            the city of Merida was founded in 1542 on top of an old Native American site just like Mazatlan was. Do you speak or read spanish?

          • Hailey Mannering

            I know that Merida was founded in 1542 on top of a Maya city. I speak and read Spanish, thank you very much you rude person from north of the border.

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            Obviously from your previous comment that Merida has existed for more than 500 years you dont know what you are talking about.
            cual es el nombre real de los aztecas? They were not indigenous to the Valley of Mexico. they migrated there and enslaved the already existing tribes, often eating them after they sacrificed them. i have lived here for 14 years. You are from NOB too you goofball. how long have you lived here? Do you have a Mexican family? how long has it been since you returned NOB? i have been once in the last 6 years and didnt want to go then. I am married to a Mexican woman born in the Ejido i live in. Do you know what an Ejido is? i have a Mexican family. Today i helped Santa give out 800 bags of candy to the children in our Ejido. Tomorrow i am helping my Mexican wife pass out 120 Chickens with rice, beans, carrots, potatoes and cooking oil to the poor in our Ejido. How about you? You are the rude person by resorting to criticizing my character because i dont agree with you. Let me guess, you are a liberal, right?
            Do you know anything about Mexican history? You are no longer worth me wasting my time on you.

          • Hailey Mannering

            I am familiar with Mexico, especially with Yucatan state. Sorry, I won`t spend time going on your tangent just to show you what I know from living here 12 years.

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            ha ha got you beat by 2 years. Do you have a residente permanente? i got my first FM2 in 2006 after being here for two years doing the 6 month border hop. It made it easier for my Mexican wife to get her 10 year tourist visa to the US. Kind of a waste of money since we almost never go north. How about you? how often do you go north?

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            they are from all over Canada. Calgary, BC, Quebec, Montreal, etc. i gues you are just special as the old SNL skit used to say. lol.

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            Pedro Infante and Las Labradas ring a bell culturally? AS to how safe Merida is, i guess we could ask Barbara McLatchie Andrews family about that. since you live there you obviously remember her. right?

          • Hailey Mannering

            I lived in Canada many years and still know lots of people in Canada and have not heard of a single one of them feeling they need a gun for protection. For hunting or for a gun collection, maybe.

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            so because you have not heard it, that makes it true. what a goofball.

          • jarhead1982

            Projection of your unsubstantiated claims = you’re lying yet again

          • Hailey Mannering

            It`s interesting that we both know that, including me who`s lived here for years. I don`t know why the others are arguing the point. This biz of saying “all” of Mexico is dangerous costs Mexican jobs.

          • jarhead1982

            Youre the one arguing all of USA is dangerous……yeah thats ewe

          • Hailey Mannering

            That`s crap, you illiterate.

          • jarhead1982

            I am the one posting all sorts of proper govt data citations, links, studies etc etc….

            You not so much

            The evidence or lack thereif by you prove you are the defacto illiterate one here

            Because your unsubstantiated bs opinion isn’t proof of jack schiiite, end of story liar

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            Every Mexican in our area that wants to work can easily find a job and for more than the minimum wage. i live in Sinaloa.

          • Hailey Mannering

            What`s your point? That it`s acceptable to scare tourists off with false stories that “all” of Mexico is dangerous ?

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            my point is that you have zero idea what you are talking about. Lying about the security situation here in Mexico helps no one. They are not false stories when the murder rate is setting a record this year. Mexico is dangerous so it pays to pay attention. I am not saying dont come visit but to say its not dangerous is a lie and you should be ashamed of yourself for saying so to unsuspecting tourists, especially if you actually live here full time and know the truth. Do you have a residente permanente visas o es tu esta aqui con un visa toursta. My Mexican wife says you are nuts to think Mexico is not dangerous and she was born here. I have lived here for 14 years full time. i obtained my first fm2 in 2006 and then switched to a residente permanente in 2013 when my last Fm2 expired after the immigration law reforms of 2012. How about you? Integrity is doing the right thing even when no one is looking, which would include telling the TRUTH about Mexico. i will waste no more time on you.

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            you pissed me off so i would add that not telling the truth about the situation in Mexico means you have no integrity. Integrity is defined as doing the right thing even when no one is looking.

          • Hailey Mannering

            You should be careful about libelling me !!! I repeat: Not “all” of Mexico is dangerous ! The odd thing is many of you are inferring or saying that you`re in dangerous parts of Mexico. Why are you there ? Why do you show no interest when people tell you of ¡safe! places in Mexico ? Most of you seem to lack even the interest to check into Facebook pages for foreigners living in Merida or other safe places. Perhaps some people posting here just want to deter tourists or potential immigrants from knowing about the safe parts of Mexico.

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            i have not libeled you. you should be careful putting words in peoples mouths. I never said all of Mexico is unsafe. I am saying it pays to pay attention no matter what part of Mexico or the world, that you are in. I live here for heavens sake and have for 14 years full time. I try to get lots of people to visit our area and even to live here but i dont lie about the security situation. Now go to your safe space and enjoy Christmas. I am tired from handing out 125 chicken dinner dispensas to the poor Mexican folks in our Ejido today after having helped hand out 800 bags of candy to the children here yesterday and still have family dinner with my Mexican family in another hour. Feliz Navidad.

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            Sabes que? As someone who has known some of these people (both Mexican and American) that have been killed, i find it insulting to Mexico that you care more about tourists than you do about these dead folks and the pain their living families have to go through because of the violence. Now have a Merry Christmas and leave me be.

          • Hailey Mannering

            You have said I have lied about the situation in Mexico ! What I am saying is there are safe p-a-r-t-s of Mexico. It is not accurate to give the impression that all of Mexico is dangerous as is being done on this thread. It is not accurate for you to say I care more about tourists than people who were murdered. (It is unfair to people needing decent work to sit silently while people say Merida area is dangerous – when it is safer than most parts of USA. Why should tourists not come to Merida area ?)

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            you have lied about the security situation in Mexico. This site itself says this is the worst year ever for murders. Again dont put words in my mouth. I never said tourists should not go to Merida or to Isla de la Piedra where i live. i said the murder rate is the highest its ever been and it pays to pay attention and its dishonest to tell people its perfectly safe here in Mexico when its obviously not.

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            by the way, i didnt move here for the tourists. I moved here for the Mexicans and to get away from the schizo weather in Oklahoma. I am much more concerned with how the record setting violence effects Mexicans than i am concerned with how it effects tourism. Tourism is not the only jobs for Mexicans. Its pretty conceited to think that way.

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            what was that Canadian artists name that got murdered in Merida last year? McLatchie i think. pretty safe.

          • Hailey Mannering

            There was another Canadian murdered north of Merida, with a knife – by his Canadian friend. So, we`ve come up with 2 murders in an area with about 1.5 million people living. That doesn`t justify you trying to persuade people that Merida is unsafe. Neither does it justify your obnoxious remarks and accusations against me.

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            thats two non Mexicans. how many Mexicans have been killed? Again with putting words in my mouth, i made no claim either way on how dangerous Merida is goofball, but keep trying to make it seem that way if it makes you feel better because we all know that feelings are more important than facts. NOT. lol. I made no obnoxious remarks or false accusations against you. i just told the truth. To members of the its all rainbows and fairy dust crowd here in Mexico the truth hurts. Suck it up buttercup. have a great New Year. Did you get your residente permanente card for Christmas? lol

        • Hailey Mannering

          I live in Merida in Yucatan state, which as Felipe Zapata correctly guesses, is Mexico`s safest state most years.

          • Geoffrey Rogg

            What about tazers?

          • Jeff Swanson

            San Miguel Allende, Merida & the Yucatan have recently exploded with violence, these were long held safe havens for expats. It was stated here on MND, all of these facts, several stories of the expat population in San Miguel trying to get the local gov to restore order, as Sponge Bob would say “Good luck with that”
            Wanna talk about PV and what the good people of Mexico have done to destroy that? HOW ABOUT the latest on Los Cabos & La Paz, happens every day in the USA gun paradise, right?

          • Hailey Mannering

            Merida has not “exploded” with violence at all ! If that were true why are hotels right now building thousands of new hotel rooms? Easter tourism in 2017 was up 72% over 2016. Delta has started direct flights between Atlanta and Merida. There is a construction boom in new housing. Just ask people who live here, such as on Facebook pages: “Merida Amigos”. Yucatan state is not the only safe part of Mexico, I`m sure. People should stop falsely saying that “all” of Mexico is dangerous. It`s insulting and it costs Mexican jobs.

          • jarhead1982

            You really suck at providing actual proof, cause since ewe arent god, your unsubstantiated word dont mean didley squat child

          • Hailey Mannering

            You`re free to look online for yourself !

          • jarhead1982

            Yawn….so you have no proof, we accept your abject surrender

          • Hailey Mannering

            Check on Facebook on “Merida Amigos”. There was a thread posted last night and no felt the need for a gun. I don`t know why you`re saying otherwise. If I needed a gun here, I would move away !

          • jarhead1982

            Our rights aren’t based on need s determined by cowards and liars

          • Hailey Mannering

            If you read a recent article from MND it said police were being pro-active “before” violence became a problem in Merida. Can you tell me where it says violence has exploded in Merida ? If that were true, there wouldn`t be so very many new hotels planned and so many thousands of people moving to Merida area.

          • Hailey Mannering

            If you look at the article on San Miguel de Allende, you will see by no mean all locals feel that SMA has exploded in violence. My friends there feel it`s safe enough, though not as safe as Merida.

      • jarhead1982

        Liar

        • Hailey Mannering

          Ignorant ugly “American”.

          • jarhead1982

            Aw is the poor, ugly, ignorant NWO fascist out of lies to give, and here we have no fkks to give about your lies

          • jarhead1982

            Ignorant ugly Mexican fascist

      • cargosquid

        The safe parts? Are those the areas where the cartels have not yet reached, or where they live while their minions murder tens of thousands?

        What about the dangerous parts? Why don’t you care about THOSE citizens? Do they not have the right of self defense?

        • Hailey Mannering

          You have no idea what my opinion is on the dangerous parts of Mexico !!! I leave you who know those areas to comment on them.

          • cargosquid

            Thus…I asked you.

          • jarhead1982

            You really don’t have a clue what actual proof is, did you even graduate elementary school, apparently not

        • Hailey Mannering

          You`re saying I don`t care about citizens in dangerous areas. You don`t know whether that accusation against me is true ! Many of them are moving to safe parts of Mexico, which I think is good if they can.

          • cargosquid

            No.
            I’m saying that the people in all areas have the right to proper tools of defense. Safe parts? Crime travels.

          • Hailey Mannering

            Merida is at least 200 miles from a dangerous area (if one calls Cancun) dangerous. We have very little violence in Merida – almost no
            home invasions. What we have some what is break ins when
            no one is home, especially if they`re away for months on end.
            No one can predict the future with certainty, but at this moment, big companies don`t see Merida becoming dangerous – they`re building and planning thousands of new hotel rooms. Few of us in Merida feel
            the need for a weapon, but I don`t deny there are parts of Mexico where one would want one.

          • cargosquid

            Then you are lucky. As I said, people should be allowed to exercise the rights that Mexico says they have. Let’s hope that the criminals don’t see the city as a ripe target once more tourists show up.

      • Jeff Swanson

        there ARE NO “safe parts of Mexico”

        • Hailey Mannering

          The people in Merida area beg to differ. Thousands of people are moving here and it`s not for the low paying jobs.

        • Hailey Mannering

          You can see where the safe areas are by looking at the US or Canadian Government Travel Advisories. You can check what people say on Lonely Planet`s Thorntree forum. You can check on online sites for specific localities in Mexico. If you did that you will see there are safe areas. I live in one.

        • Crewlaw

          My god, what an idiotic uninformed statement. In a country with over 200 million people, you could read about fifty murders a day and there would STILL be millions upon millions of people who lived that day without even thinking about safety or danger or drug cartels. Don’t let news articles distort reality and make you hysterical.

          • Jeff Swanson

            The Mexicans DO worry every day, take your car out on the highway in Mexico at 3 am and cruise around why don’t, OR go pitch a tent and campo, would ya? HELL NO! Rest my case! FOOL, talk to the people? You think I am stupid, I DID! they all had a family member kidnapped for ransom, all had a family member a victim of a VERY violent crime, oh and none reported, said the police did it!
            You better get some reading comprehension and start reading the stories here n MND, they are after all, NOT Donald trump “Tweets”

    • Crewlaw

      This is not “a country where the vast majority of the population lives in fear”. I believe that the “vast majority” of the 125 or so million people who live here go about their daily lives without giving drug cartel violence or the rest of it a second thought. Life goes on, just as it does in the States or anywhere else where there is plenty of crime but it doesn’t affect most people.
      That said, I have nothing against a firearm for home protection.

      • jwd

        I could give many reasons to demonstrate the fallacy of your comments, but it is suffix to say if you simply read this web site on a regular basis you would know better. I know of only two safe places in Mexico that are realitively safe for the average Mexican. One, is in the very poor areas that drugs are not grow and everyone is so poor there is nothing to steal. I have lived in such a place in Chiapas. And two, some of these gringo locations, that are really not Mexico, but have a local population of “servants”.

        • Crewlaw

          “I know of only two safe places in Mexico that are realitively(sic) safe for the average Mexican.”
          That statement demonstrates your ignorance of what life is really like here. All the media coverage of every bad aspect of Mexico in the world does not change the fact that “the vast majority of the population lives in fear” is a nonsensical statement. No they don’t.

          We have lived for eighteen years in the same large farm town east of Zamora in Michoacan that my wife was born and raised in. All around us every day people live their lives without giving whatever “Violence in Mexico!” headline is on this or any other media a moment’s thought.

          Our daughter went to Guadalajara for university and has been there living and working for seven years now. She and her many friends and co-workers don’t “live in fear”. They live their lives, just like you do.

          • jwd

            BTW, as some who also lives in Mexico, I am far from being ignorant about life in Mexico. Michoacan, second only to Guerrero as the most dangerous state in Mexico. I think you must be using some of those drugs passing throught there. Jajaja. But, count yourself as lucky if the crimminal element has not touched you and your family. My family has not been as lucky in Guerrero.

          • Hailey Mannering

            Morelia, capital of Michocan, is safe, whereas some rural parts aren`t.

          • Crewlaw

            ‘Michoacan’ is what is in the headlines. Most of the time the article will tell you that the trouble was in…Tierra Caliente. Look it up.

          • jarhead1982

            So because it has never happened to you, it never happens eh, such a simpleton

          • Crewlaw

            I said no such thing. ‘jarhead’ indeed.

          • jarhead1982

            Yeah you did

        • Hailey Mannering

          You should read up more: Merida area doesn`t fit into either description and are safe.

          • jarhead1982

            More unsubstantiated claims = lies

          • Hailey Mannering

            Can you prove in court all the things you accuse me of , such as I am lying when I say there are safe parts of Mexico ? It is clear for all to see: the US and Canadian government travel advisories have never advised against danger in Merida or Yucatan state. (Note that I am not saying “Yucatan peninsula”.) Ask people on Lonely Planet`s Thorntree forum about any part of Mexico. Ask people on Facebook pages who live in any part of Mexico. They can tell you whether their area is safe or not. If you can`t prove that I`m a liar and a fascist and a democrap, then you are libelling me !

          • jarhead1982

            You’re own comments that have no proper Govt citations, links, studies or data sources prove you are a liar

            That’s what UNSUBSTANTIATED means moron

            See that’s how professional liars operate, making unsubstantiated claims , that be you

          • Hailey Mannering

            I am telling you places where you can find which parts of Mexico are safe. You`re clearly not interested, let alone grateful. You haven`t proven I`m a liar.

          • jarhead1982

            Thats your unsubstantiated opinion = bull schiite = unproven = no proper govt citation, data set, link or study = YOU LIED, I am not INTERESTED IN UNSUBSTANTIATED OPINIONS WHICH DONT MEAN JACK SCHIITE, hence until you provide such PROOF, you have admitted you are a liar

      • Jeff Swanson

        Read it here on Mexico News Daily, something like 98% (?) of Mexicans no longer feel safe or that the government can protect them, read right here as well 98% of Mexicans have a CLOSE family member WHO HAS been the victim of a violent crime. “TALK” to a Mexican!

        • Crewlaw

          I “TALK” to Mexicans all the time. I have lived here for eighteen years. There are people all around me living and working and going to school and carrying on with their lives just like people do anywhere else, and they do not fret and sweat and carry on about how very unsafe and un’protected’ they ‘feel’. There are murders and muggings every single day in any city in the U.S. Are the citizens of those cities trembling in fear as they go about their daily lives?

  • gypsyken

    The infection of gunphilia appears to be spreading into Mexico from the U.S., where it is virulent and its spreading is strongly promoted by the gun manufacturers’ lobby (the NRA: the solution to gun violence in the U.S., by far the highest in the world, is more people having guns).

    • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

      more people died in the US from the effects of second hand cigarette smoke (38k according to the tobacco companies themselves) than did from all gun related deaths (just under 34k, including accidents and suicide. there were only 10k gun murders in the US last year.)

      • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

        yeah. my comment is back. thanks.

    • jarhead1982

      Still waiting for one single anti gun fascist idiot to prove guns are alive and are the root cause of violence

      The faux term “gun violence” infers a possessive ability

      So to prove guns are a root cause of violence, you must provide a video of a gun loading aiming and pulling its own trigger

      Failure to do so in your next retort proves your position a lie

      Let the ranting and wailing commence child

      • gypsyken

        Gunphilia has more negative effects than merely the violence committed by those who have guns. As the posting above and pronouncements of people like Wayne Lapierre demonstrate, it can also be manifested in irrational thinking and denial of empirical evidence. All the available data, including those cited from Brazil in the article, and those available in the U.S., indicate that possession of a gun increases the probability of being harmed by someone using one. People like Lapierre ignore the statistics and merely recite anecdotes about people protecting themselves with guns.

        • jarhead1982

          Hoplophobia, a severe mental illness that afflicts all NWO leftistist anti gun fascist fairies , is evidenced by the insane ranting and raving in impotent rage of the negative IQ anti gun twits too stupid to provide one single shred of data, study or academically vetted proof that gun control of only the law abiding reduces violence by the actual criminals

          As such when we see such ignorance demonstrated by the blood thirsty anti gun heathens idiocy, all sane people lament the fact that such morons are still allowed to breed

          • Hailey Mannering

            You clearly have a very low opinion of people who live in first world countries, other than crime-ridden USA.

          • jarhead1982

            Only fools and liars infer that economic status make a difference in laws, but then since Mexico is considered a first world country economically based on GDP, it says everything about your bias and racist inclination towards the latinos

          • Hailey Mannering

            Nonsense. GDP figures in Mexico aren`t reliable as most Mexicans aren`t required to file tax returns. I don`t consider all of Mexico to be first world – yet.

          • jarhead1982

            And your word is more reliable how again oh false god ….dismissed

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            who told you most Mexicans are not required to file tax returns? what exactly do you think SAT and Hacienda do?

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            my friend and licensiado (lawyer) Alfonso G. who moved to Maz from Merida says that every Mexican is required to file a declaracion of income. However since many Mexicans work in the informal economomy, they dont follow the law.

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            did you ever check on your supposition that Mexicans are not required to file taxes? just curious. lol.

        • cargosquid

          Still waiting for you to provide evidence that mere possession of a gun increases the probability of being harmed by someone using one.

          Your blanket statement would include grandpa’s shotgun kept in the attic since he died 30 years ago.

          • gypsyken

            The evidence is easily available by googling “gun ownership and probability,” but as you are either unable or unwilling to do that, here are just three of the results, though I realize that you may not be much influenced by mere facts:

            https://www.vox.com/cards/gun-violence-facts/gun-house-death-risk:

            “Guns can kill you in three ways: homicide, suicide, and by accident. Owning a gun or having one readily accessible makes all three more likely. . . . States with more guns see more accidental deaths from firearms, and children ages 5 to 14 are 11 times more likely to be killed with a gun in the US compared to other developed countries.

            http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/01/good_guy_with_a_gun_myth_guns_increase_the_risk_of_homicide_accidents_suicide.html:

            “A study from October 2013 analyzed data from 27 developed nations to examine the impact of firearm prevalence on the mortality rate. It found an extremely strong direct relationship between the number of firearms and firearm deaths. The paper concludes: “The current study debunks the widely quoted hypothesis that guns make a nation safer.” This finding is bolstered by several previous studies that have revealed a significant link between gun ownership and firearm-related deaths. This international comparison is especially harrowing for women and children, who die from gun violence in America at far higher rates than in other countries.”

            https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/160/10/929/140858:

            American Journal of Epidemiology, Volume 160, Issue 10, 15 November 2004:

            “Abstract: Data from a US mortality follow-back survey were analyzed to determine whether having a firearm in the home increases the risk of a violent death in the home and whether risk varies by storage practice, type of gun, or number of guns in the home. Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 1.9, 95% confidence interval: 1.1, 3.4). They were also at greater risk of dying from a firearm homicide, but risk varied by age and whether the person was living with others at the time of death. The risk of dying from a suicide in the home was greater for males in homes with guns than for males without guns in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 10.4, 95% confidence interval: 5.8, 18.9). Persons with guns in the home were also more likely to have died from suicide committed with a firearm than from one committed by using a different method (adjusted odds ratio = 31.1, 95% confidence interval: 19.5, 49.6). Results show that regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and firearm suicide in the home.”

          • cargosquid

            Vox has no clue about the subject of guns, merely parroting gun control talking points.

            “Harvard School of Public Health’s Injury Control Research Center” run by hacktivist gun control bigot Hemenway.

            Uses cherry picked stats and weasel words: “Developed countries with more guns generally have more homicide; states within the US with more guns have more homicide; ”

            Developed countries…. uh huh. Define “developed.” Oh look…cherry picked as usual. If this were true, we would be ranked number one is both murder and gun murder. Yet…we aren’t.

            Even Hemenway states that CAUSATION CANNOT be determined and merely ties to “associate” guns with crime. He tries….and always fails, to link causation in his “studies.”

            Then he lies. Based purely on the facts by the CDC, firearms are NOT the “most significant hazard,”
            He adds in the “preventability” to be able to make this statistic even approach validity.

            “11 times more likely to be killed with a gun in the US compared to other developed countries.”
            Those kids are more likely to be KILLED…period….compared to other “developed” countries. Fix THAT. Btw..that statistic is talking about a total of 96 kids. So…. let’s see the methodology for determining that 11x more likely.

            As for Slate…get back to me with a valid source. Yes…we have guns.. If kids are having accidents, then we should have training for safe gun handling in the schools. Funny how the study of 27 other nations always includes nations with low gun ownership and low murder rates instead of studying Mexico, Brazil, or Honduras. They keep having to compare to low gun countries with low crime rates. We don’t have a low crime rate. They are comparing apples to oranges. These studies ignore history, demographics, culture, gang membership, drug laws, dominant and sub cultures, etc.

            Their findings show that they have no idea what they are talking about in the last study.
            “Results show that regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and firearm suicide in the home.” Based on this statement, having grandpa’s old shotgun in the attic is no different than having a .45 sitting on the dining room table while doing a drug deal.

            The fact that they even used Kellerman shows that they have no idea how to evaluate studies of this sort. Kellerman has been debunked for years. And using Hemenway shows that they do not care about bias and hack science.

            Please explain how having grandpa’s gun in the attic increases the chance of death by gun.
            We have about 120 million gun owners with at least 400 million guns. If your premise was true, we would have a vastly greater amount of “gun death.”

          • gypsyken

            I knew you wouldn’t be persuaded by mere facts. So, OK, now you provide data/statistics from a source you deem valid/reliable showing that gun ownership does not increase the probability of being harmed by someone using one. Perhaps you can find data showing that people in countries with the fewest guns have the greatest probability of being harmed by someone using one, or that people in countries with the greatest number of guns are less likely to be harmed by people using one. The data reported in Wikipedia, by the way, do include Brazil, Honduras, and Mexico (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate), so you will have to find some other way to get around that.

          • cargosquid

            You didn’t present facts.
            You presented talking points and hack science.

            I don’t need to provide a study. Reality shows that the claim is bogus. Your ownership of an inanimate object does not affect the actions of another party.

            Regardless….there is no valid utilitarian argument for the infringement of inalienable human rights.

            Your link does not go to anything.

            Try again.

            Brazil, Honduras, and Mexico have low gun ownership and high “gun murder” rates.

          • gypsyken

            I presented data, including data published in the American Journal of Epidemiology, a well-recognized scientific journal. You simply reject facts and insist that your opinions are correct. I do not recognize being able to possess a device whose primary purpose is to kill as an “inalienable human right.”

          • cargosquid

            The American Journal of Epidemiology used debunked sources. Obviously it cannot evaluate the validity of gun control studies.
            Learn the subject.

            The right to keep and bear arms is an inalienable human right. Your opinion about that is worthless. Apparently you also reject the right of self defense.

          • gypsyken

            i understand, Only you and your ilk know The Truth. Can’t argue with that.

          • cargosquid

            No. I just happen to have been dealing with this for 30 years.
            Please keep up.

            And, again, there are no valid arguments for infringing on the rights of lawful people.
            So…. the “studies” are meaningless.

          • “Divergent” sgthwjack ✯

            And the right enumerated by the Constitution remains.

          • jarhead1982

            Poor racist bigoted nazee, upset someone doesnt believe your proaganda and lies eh, too bad

          • jarhead1982

            We dont recognize your propaganda as anything but blatant lies herr nazee

          • King Trollo

            honduras has very loose gun laws as well, this needs to be pointed out because hes saying theyre strict. this is typical gun nutism

            comparing the number of officially registered guns between countries is like comparing the overall crime rate between countries or even the homicide rate (albeit to a clearly lesser degree). its so subject to who is recording more accurately

          • jarhead1982

            Horrible how registration doesnt reduce violence eh….

            Amazing how one goes to an anti gun website that actually shows the failure of gun control, especially registration.

            Why is it that this small sample of gun control countries (206 total countries in the list) have less than a 25% registration of their guns?

            Explain again with any logic how one gets the criminals to register their guns, is it like a buy back with blanket amnesty, do tell?

            http : //www . gunpolicy . org/firearms/compare/153/rate_of_privately_owned_firearms_-_world_ranking/

            Guns / Registered / % of registered



            Brazil 16,200,000 / 5,200,000 / 32.1%


            Canada 14,450,688 / 7,514,358 / 52.0%


            China 40,000,000 / 680,000 / 1.7%


            Cuba 545,000 / 58,150 / 10.7%


            Guatemala 1,650,000 / 393,996 / 23.9%

            
Japan 710,000 / 413,096 / 58.2%


            Mexico 15,500,000 / 2,824,231 / 18.2%


            N Ireland 380,000 / 141,393 / 37.2%

            
Netherlands 510,000 / 333,000 / 65.3%


            Russia 12,750,000 / 5,000,000 / 39.2% 


            S Africa 5,950,000 / 3,737,676 / 62.8%


            Venezuela 2,825,000 / 925,000 / 32.7%




            Totals & avg. 111,470,688 / 27,220,900 / 24.4%

            Oh wait, further review of data as of 9/20/2014 shows the following…………

            119 Countries reported registration rates!

            296,301,508 guns / 80,398,537 registered = 27.1%

            Do you really think that registration rates would be any different in the US, nah, WORSE, we tell government to FO, doubt me, review the numbers for the Connecticut & NY registration BS just this last year, LOL!

            Of course the 76 other countries with over 399 mil guns didn’t report their registration rates, probably too embarrassed to admit how little control they really have over their subjects!

            Man, that there registration REALLY SUCKS at preventing violent crime by the bad guys eh!

          • King Trollo

            erm, honduras has very widespread gun ownership

          • cargosquid

            Small arms survey shows 6 guns per 100 people. That is widespread? The law states that no one may own guns without permission of the state. “No one may possess or carry weapons without the permission of the competent authority.” So..if it is widespread…those are illegal guns. Gun control is not working. Which is the point. So, few legal guns and high crime.

            In 2009 there were 220,000 registered guns in private ownership in addition to an estimated 500,000 illegal guns.[9] There is an active black market for firearms. Though officially banned, AK-47 rifles can purchased for about $500.[9]

            Only citizens of Honduras and foreign citizens who are legal residents of Honduras may purchase, own, possess, or transport any handgun, shotgun, or rifle as permitted and defined under the Act on the Control of Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives and Other Related Materials.[7][19] A license for every firearm must be obtained and renewed every four years.[20]

            So..which is it? A lot of guns meaning that the citizens ignore the gun laws or the above?

          • jarhead1982

            Prove it….

          • jarhead1982

            Cherry picked BS and propaganda arent facts, they are lies, hence you are a proven liar

          • jarhead1982

            Referencing vox = propaganda and lies, hence you lied yet again

          • gypsyken

            I reject the claim that the truth comes only from the NRA and Faux News and that everything else is propaganda and lies.

          • jarhead1982

            No, it’s simply we reject the proven lies that you spout, and since our data comes from the USDOJ, FBI, CDC, US Bureau of Justice etc etc etc none of which are managed or controlled by the NRA, we accept your abject admission that you have lied to everyone yet again herr nazee

          • gypsyken

            You have not provided any data whatsoever from the USDOJ, FBI, CDC, and whatever the “U.S. Bureau of Justice” may be. You have only declared that the data I have referred to are not valid. Unfortunately, O Knowing One, it’s an impossible burden to have to check with you to find out whether or not something I read is actually true.

          • jarhead1982

            Aw, poor widdle nazee, NOT ONE SINGLE SHRED OF YOUR FALSE DATA COMES FROM USDOJ, FBI, CDC, and whatever the “U.S. Bureau of Justice” so all you post are lies, dismissed child

          • jarhead1982

            Recidivism rates being over 40% as well!

            2.7 mil prisoners


            1.4 mil active gang members


            2.5-3.5 mil active criminals


            1.043 mil plus open felony warrants

            Hence add in the career criminals.

            CDC -Suicidal people speak for them-selve.

            Shall we review police firearm discharge reports in Chicago and NYC where between 76-80% of those involved in shootings, both shooter and injured were both involved in criminal activity at the time of the incident.

            www . popcenter . org / problems / drive_by_shooting / PDFs / Block_and_Block_1993 . pdf,

            www . nyc . gov / html / nypd / downloads / pdf / public_information / 2007_firearms_discharge_report . pdf,

            www . nyclu . org / files / nypd_firearms_report_102207 . pdf

            Yeah, review of all the govt. data above shows over 96% of all killings by illegal use of a firearm are committed by career criminals, gang members, suiciders & crazies w approximately 50% of the remainder due to domestic violence incidents.

            A sane person would normally address the largest problem first don’t you agree?

            Oh you want numbers, ok!

            Since suicides are not illegal, murder is illegal that means accidental deaths, justifiable homicides and the % of murders not committed by FELONS or any of the other 9 categories of people banned can be removed from the 31,084 total, which as noted in the multiple USDOJ studies and reports 80% of the most violent crimes are committed by career criminals, gang members.

            Do the numbers now that you have the premise, here are the numbers for 2011.

            31,084 killings by use of gun

            9,892 murders

            19,766 suicides

            591 justifiable homicides (209 by civilians using a gun, 270 total)

            835 accidental deaths

            ((9,892 x .8)+19,766)/31,084 -(591+835) = 27,860/29,658 = 93.9%.

            Oh darn, forgot the FBI not reporting the correct number of justifiable homicides, so since 209 justifiable homicides were by firearm alone by civilians, 5 times 209 = 1,045.

            So 29,658-1,045 = 28,613

            Redone = 27,860/28,613 = 97.3% darn, that’s more than 96%, my bad!

          • jarhead1982

            Wow, amazing how these people arent law abiding gun owners, why is that child, why cant you provide ANY govt. vetted data to counter any of this…oh thats right, youre a paid anti gun shill

            http : // www . pewstates . org / uploadedFiles / PCS_Assets / 2011 / Pew_State_of_Recidivism . pdf


            http : //www . bjs . gov/content/pub/pdf/rprts05p0510 . pdf


            Among state prisoners released in 30 states in 2005—

„. About two-thirds (67.8%) of released prisoners were arrested for a new crime within 3 years, and three-quarters (76.6%) were arrested within 5 years.

            
„. Within 5 years of release, 82.1% of property offenders were arrested for a new crime, compared to 76.9% of drug offenders, 73.6% of public order offenders, and 71.3% of violent offenders.

            
„. More than a third (36.8%) of all prisoners who were arrested within 5 years of release were arrested within the first 6 months after release, with more than half (56.7%) arrested by the end of the first year.

„

            . Two in five (42.3%) released prisoners were either not arrested or arrested once in the 5 years after their release.

„

            . A sixth (16.1%) of released prisoners were responsible for almost half (48.4%) of the nearly 1.2 million arrests that occurred in the 5-year follow-up period.

„

            . An estimated 10.9% of released prisoners were arrested in a state other than the one that released them during the 5-year follow-up period.

„

            . Within 5 years of release, 84.1% of inmates who were age 24 or younger at release were arrested, compared to 78.6% of inmates ages 25 to 39 and 69.2% of those age 40 or older.

            http : //www . bjs . gov/content/pub/ascii/aus8009 . txt

          • jarhead1982

            Just horrible how criminals have families and such, and hang with OTHER CRIMINALS…..why is that child, you always infer all violence is committed by law abiding gun owners, but these social scientists and criminologists studies consistently prove otherwise…..you dont lie worth a damn we see….

            http : // www . usnews . com / news / articles / 2013 / 11 / 14 / gun-violence-significantly-increased-by-social-interactions?s_cid=rss:gun-violence-significantly-increased-by-social-interactions

            “Gun Violence Significantly increased by social interactions” 11/14/2013

            Andrew Papachristos, an associate professor of sociology at Yale, analyzed police and gun homicide records from 2006 to 2011 for people living in a high-crime neighborhood in Chicago.

            He found that 41 % of all gun homicides occurred within a network of less than 4 % of the neighborhood’s population, and that the closer one is connected to a homicide victim, the greater that person’s chances were for becoming a victim. Each social tie removed from a homicide victim decreased a person’s odds of becoming a victim by 57 %

            “What the findings essentially tell you is that the people who are most at risk of becoming a victim are sort of surrounded by victims within a few handshakes,” Papachristos says. “These are young men who are actively engaged in the behaviors that got them in this network.”

            The network in question consists of more than 3,700 high-risk individuals – young, African-American males from a poor neighborhood – who were clustered into a network by instances of co-offending, meaning each person in the group had been arrested with another person.

            Overall, the community’s five-year homicide rate was 39.7 per 100,000 people, which was still much higher than the averages of other areas of Chicago (14.7 per 100,000). But being a part of that network of co-offenders, essentially just being arrested, raised the rate to by nearly 50 percent, to 55.2 per 100,000. What’s more, being in a network with a homicide victim increased the homicide rate by 900 %, to 554.1 per 100,000.

            “You’re at a risk for living in this [certain] community, but if you’re in the network, your risk is astronomical,” Papachristos says. “That rate is beyond epidemic proportion, that’s actually scary.”

            http : //www . npr . org/sections/codeswitch/2016/10/08/497123741/race-and-policing-treat-black-men-and-boys-like-victims-too

          • jarhead1982

            An offshoot of 3 strikes your out was Operation Cease Fire & Project Exile to name a few, where local authorities concentrated on taking career crimnals and felons off the street and GASP the violent crime rate and murders DECLINED as a direct result….



            What is even more hilarious is how the NRA is the main driver behind the authorities being funded to do this, and in fact as noted by a radicalized anti gun fascist much like yourself, that the NRA was indeed right about prosecuting the actual criminals rather than attacking the law abiding to reduce violence…..



            DOJ SUMMARY OF DISTRICT GUN VIOLENCE REDUCTION STRATEGIES



            http : //www . justice . gov/archive/opd/AppendixA . htm



            http : //www . ojjdp . gov/pubs/gun_violence/profile38 . html



            Richmond’s Project Exile, started in March 1997, is credited with reducing the murder rate in that city by more than 30 percent in 1998, making it the lowest since 1987. There were 140 murders in Richmond in 1997 and 94 last year.

            So far in 1998, the homicide rate has dropped again — to 53, Comey said.



            As of November 1998, Project Exile had achieved the following results:



            • 372 persons indicted for Federal gun violations.

            
• 440 guns seized.

            
• 300 persons arrested or held in State custody.

            
• 222 arrestees (more than 74 percent) held without bond. 


            • 247 persons convicted. 


            • 196 persons sentenced to an average of 55months of
 imprisonment.



            What if the NRA was Right?

            http : //citypaper . net/articles/040600/cs . coverstory1 . shtml



            Feds Help Easton Fight Gun Crime `Operation Ceasefire’ Exiles Gun Offenders To Far-away Federal Prisons. 



            http : //articles . mcall . com/1999-10-10/news/3281651_1_richmond-s-project-exile-stiles-federal-court

          • jarhead1982

            Isn’t it amazing how multiple other states have implemented 3 strikes your out and have reduced violence, with one major difference from kalifornika, they didn’t implement strict gun control upon the lawful gun owners.

            http : // www . threestrikes . org / walsh_pg_one . html

            http : // www . cgu . edu / include / Evaluating%20criminal%20justice%20programs . pdf

            California has what is probably the most publicized campaign against habitual criminals known as the three strikes law. There is plenty of evidence that the laws in California have provided significant benefits both in protecting citizens from further harm but also in fiscal impact to the California prison system.

            Calculations based on the California Crime Index indicate that between March of 1994 when three strikes was first signed into law and the summer of 2004, there was a dramatic drop in California’s crime rate. Whether or not such a decline over those 10 years could be attributable to the three strikes sentencing scheme, other sentencing legislation enacted during the decade, changes in demographics, economic trends, or a combination of these factors, the crime rate in California fell by approximately 45% during this 10-year period. (Prosecutors’ Perspective on California’s Three Strikes Law – A 10-Year Retrospective, published 2004)

            The prison system in California has seen its prison population numbers stabilize and has actually seen a massive reduction in the rate of increased spending in the budget for corrections. During the 10 years preceding three strikes (1984 to 1994), state expenditures for corrections increased nearly 220%. This is more than four times greater than after the enactment of three strikes.

            “Many police officers, corrections officers and others, both inside and outside the criminal justice system, have noted that criminals fear three strikes. These people have also found that some criminals have modified their behavior. For once felons are worried about the criminal justice system and that has proven to be a deterrent factor. Despite predictions that the law would incarcerate many youthful offenders, for the 83 three-strikers sentenced to date (1997), the average age is 37 years old. These are career criminals, not likely to “outgrow” their antisocial behavior with added maturity”. (Washington Policy Center, “Three Strikes You’re Out; A Reform that Worked”, published 1997)

            In Nevada, there are habitual criminal laws that are similar to those in California. At the end of February 2009, there were 525 inmates in the Nevada prison system that were serving habitual criminal sentences that essentially vary from between 5-20 years, 10 years to life or life without parole. This is only 3.9% of the total Nevada inmate population. Based on the decades of criminological studies showing that 80% of all crime is committed by 20% of all offenders, shouldn’t the number of inmates in prison who are serving habitual sentences be closer to 20% or even higher since this is the special breed of criminal that needs to be incarcerated the most?

          • jarhead1982

            Dang, such a consistent trend, CRIMINALS committing the majority of violence,….

            http : //touch . baltimoresun . com/#section/-1/article/p2p-85516403/

            Here is a violent crime snapshot of a typical larger US city controlled and managed by liberal Democrats for decades. A whopping 344 homicides in Baltimore in 2015 alone. It is common knowledge that liberal policies have consistently failed these Democratic party cities where systemic violent crime is the norm.

            “The suspects

            The department said it had 85 homicide suspects as of Dec. 31, when the data was compiled. Of those, 74 were male and 11 were female. Five were juveniles. Also, 72 — or nearly 85 percent — were black, while the rest were white.

            Among the suspects, 76.5 percent had prior criminal records, 62.4 percent had prior drug arrests, 52.9 percent had been arrested for violent crimes, and 41.2 percent had been arrested for gun crimes. Nearly a quarter were on parole and probation at the time of the killing for which they are now a suspect. Nearly 2.5 percent were on parole and probation specifically for a gun crime at the time of the incident.

            The average suspect had been arrested more than nine times before, and 15.3 percent of the suspects were suspected gang members, the report said.”

            “The victims

            Some of the people killed in the city in 2015 were innocent bystanders to gun violence, including in shootings that ripped into crowds. There were also 22 juveniles killed, 10 of them under the age of 10.

            But police have also said that some of the city’s residents most vulnerable to violence were also perpetrating violence— including known gang members and others heavily involved in the city’s violent drug trade.

            “The driving forces behind the murders have remained the same and we’ve been successful at identifying some of these trigger pullers and getting them off the streets. We’re doing as much as we can with that group of people. It’s a vulnerable group, and I’ve said this a number of times,” Police Commissioner Kevin Davis said in November. “There are both perpetrators on that list and very likely victims on that list.”

            The new data on the 2015 victims seems to bolster Davis’ claim that many victims were previously caught up in crime.

            According to the analysis, nearly 90 percent of the 344 victims in 2015 had a prior criminal record. Of those, 80.2 percent had a prior drug arrest; 60.8 had been arrested for a violent crime; and half had a prior gun charge.

            The average victim had been arrsted 13 times before, and 26.2 percent were suspected gang members, the report said.”

          • jarhead1982

            Isn’t it amazing how even the CDC agree’s with the criminologists on how it isn’t the law abiding gun owners responsible for the massive majority of violence.

            Sources:

            1.Total Firearm Deaths: 31,672 http : //www . cdc . gov/nchs/fastats/injury . htm


            2.Total suicides by firearms: 19,392 http : //www . cdc . gov/nchs/fastats/suicide . htm


            3.Justifiable Homicide (self defense by citizen against felon): 201 http : //cnsnews . com/blog/stephen-gutowski/fbi-77-justifiable-homicides-involved-firearms-99-police


            4.Justifiable Homicide (by police against felon) 343 http : //www . bjs . gov/content/homicide/d_justify . cfm


            5.Accidents: (2010) 851 http : //www . cdc . gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06 . pdf


            6.Gang related (2010) 8880 http : //www . cdc . gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06 . pdf

          • jarhead1982

            For several decades, studies have been conducted on crime and causalities by various bodies including major universities, criminologists and even the U.S. Department of Justice.

            These studies have found that approximately 80% of all crime is committed by 20% of all criminals.

            Some of the studies by these WORLD REKNOWN CRIMINOLOGISTS have provided slightly different numbers but all of them have found that a small group of criminals commit a vastly disproportionate number of crimes than their peers.

            By the way, where is your government citations and data to prove these WORLD REKNOWN CRIMINOLOGISTS WRONG eh sweety…..ECHOES OF SILENCE!

            Wolfgang et al ., 1972;

            Petersilia et al ., 1978;

            Williams, 1979;

            Chaiken and Chaiken, 1982;

            Greenwood with Abrahamse, 1982,

            Martin and Sherman,1986.

            http : // www . temple . edu / prodes / adobe / dhs_chronic_offenders . pdf



            http : // www . articlesbase . com / criminal-articles / career-criminals-who-are-they-and-what-should-society-do-about-them-1012040 . html



            http : // www . academicroom . com / users / joan-petersilia



            http : // www . rand . org / pubs / reports / R2814z1 . html

            

http : // www . soc . iastate . edu / staff / delisi / DeLisi%20Scaling%20Archetypal%20Criminals%20AJCJ . pdf



            http : // www . rand . org / pubs / reports / R2815 . html

            http : // onlinelibrary . wiley . com / doi / 10 . 1111/j . 1745-9125 . 1986 . tb00381 . x / abstract

          • jarhead1982

            Since the slate and vox are communist whackjobs, anything they print is pure lies and propaganda only

    • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

      it seems my comment was deleted, supporting links and all. there are more deaths by second hand cigarette smoke in the US (38k according to Newsweek and the tobacco companies) than there are gun deaths in the US (approx 34 to 35k, including suicides, accidents and murders, according to gun violence site). I posted the links yesterday but i have been censored so i wont do it again. easy enough to verify. have a great day.

      • Hailey Mannering

        Many areas of the USA have long been dangerous despite their guns and all other precautions. People in other first world countries generally walk the streets of major cities alone at night without fear. They don`t have to drive in vehicles with the windows locked, into a garage, using a remote control. We in Merida and Yucatan state are safer than most places in US, especially large cities. Why should we change ? So many people are moving here, partly because it`s safe.

        • jarhead1982

          More unsubstantiated lies, as cearly you havent the IQ to comprehend what proof and critical thinking actually are, as clearly you are not god, and by default your words are not proof of anything, hence no one cares WTF you claim or believe

          • Hailey Mannering

            What lies do you think I`ve told ?

          • jarhead1982

            You are anti gun therefore you are an inherent liar on that subject

          • Hailey Mannering

            I have not stated my opinions on guns and will leave that to you who live where you feel guns are needed.

          • jarhead1982

            Walk like s duck, squawk like a duck you are a duck, herr fascist liar

        • cargosquid

          You don’t have to change unless you want to.
          SOME people DO want to.
          And it is their right to do so.

          • Hailey Mannering

            I`ll leave that to the Mexican people to decide. There are very few guns in Merida or the entire Yucatan state – other than hunting rifles in rural areas.

          • cargosquid

            Right. Because it is illegal to own them.

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            its not illegal to own a gun here in Mexico. As legal permanent resident i can even buy one but it is a serious pain in the wazoo to go through the process to get one and they are only sold in Mexico City.

          • jarhead1982

            Banning by regulatory hoops and making them prohibitively expensive to get via legal means, a standard anti gun fascist operating procedure

          • cargosquid

            So…virtually forbidden to keep in the home and only in “approved” calibers and almost impossible to carry one unless approved by national authority.

            So….defacto forbidden.

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            i live here full time and know full well the process involved. you might want to re read the article you are commenting on. from the article ¨“They asked for my birth certificate, proof of address, identification and a document that shows I don’t have a criminal record,” Gallo said.

            For a carry permit to be granted, psychological and toxicology tests are also required as well as a medical exam.

            The director of weapons sales at Sedena explained that where customers live dictates what kind of weapon they are allowed to buy.

            People living in urban areas are limited to handguns whereas those living in rural areas can purchase a rifle or shotgun, Colonel Eduardo Téllez Moreno said.¨

          • cargosquid

            Constitution:
            Article 10. The inhabitants of the United Mexican States are entitled to have arms of any
            kind in their possession for their protection and legitimate defense, except such as are
            expressly forbidden by law, or which the nation may reserve for the exclusive use of the
            army, navy, or national guard; but they may not carry arms within inhabited places without
            complying with police regulations.

            In other words, they DO NOT have the right nor are they actually entitled to anything other than what the gov’t deems they should have.

            It may be legal to own one….if you get permission.

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            which is exactly what i said. You have to get a letter from your local law enforcement basically saying you are a good person and not a criminal. then you have to get a criminal background check in Mexico City. Then once you are approved you can buy from the selection that they have at the single legal sales outlet in Mexico City. Yes there are limits on the caliber of weapon. No one here can get a .50 caliber pistol legally.

          • cargosquid

            Can they get a 9mm pistol? What sort of rifle? Semi auto anything?

          • Jeff Swanson

            you have ESP? I am sure there are a hell of a lot of guns there, AND the proximity to the southern borders and smuggling routes.
            What realty company or business do you own in Mexico may I ask? WHAT is your reason for promoting Mexico, what is in it for you? $$$$?
            I suppose we can the call the recent story of the explosion of violence in the Yucatan & Merida, as posted on MND, as BS and a lie? Did you take this then according to you “False story” up with the editor of MND?
            Every day a “NEW” story of violence in a “NEW” previously safe area, now La Paz for god’s sake and cabo, WHERE next?

          • Hailey Mannering

            I don`t own a realty company or biz in Merida or anywhere in Mexico ! As I stress, you people should not be dissemenating misinformation that “all” of Mexico is dangerous or that it takes police in “Mexico” 3 hours to answer a call. Merida police have done an excellent job of protecting the public. Have any of you looked the Facebook page “Merida Amigos” ? There was a thread about this 2 mights ago. By the way, what is your agenda for pretending that “all” of Mexico is dangerous ? Why would you even be in Mexico ?

          • jarhead1982

            Its is dangerous…more dangerous than living in the USA…..AND THE GOVT DATA PROVES THAT

          • Hailey Mannering

            The stories about the level of violence in SMA and Merida weren`t false. By reading the stories and comments below, the impression is not that violence is exploding in SMA – and even less so in Merida.

          • Hailey Mannering

            Why are you even addressing me on the right to own guns ? I haven`t commented on that.

          • cargosquid

            Because that right is part of what Mexico restricts. I am not saying that you are either for or against it.

            I’m merely pointing out that the people that don’t have your luxury of safety should be allowed to defend themselves.

        • Jeff Swanson

          OK clarify, CONFUSED? you are saying people in the USA or MEXICO??? have to drive around “Windows Locked” and use a remote for your garage???
          In Mexico, not LA or New York, you damn well better drive with your doors locked, or you will quickly have an unwanted passenger!
          As to the remote, I know of NO ONE, en Mexico who does NOT drive into their respective garage or gate, THEN close it with the remote, check the left so to speak, wait for it to close, then and only then unlock and get out of the car.
          A female friend of mine had a “MEXICAN” sneak into her garage when she came home with the car, rape her, that sure changed her love for Mexico, she was back in the USA in 24 hours, her place for sale.
          Fact of the matter is FYI MORE people own electric garage or gate openers IN MEXICO then the USA, least 20 to 1 FACT! Why is that? LAZY OR SECURITY?

          • Hailey Mannering

            Most people in Merida don`t have garages, walk the streets at any hour they please, and certainly don`t live in gated communtiies.

          • jarhead1982

            AND DONT REPORT all THE VIOLENT CRIMES COMMITTED AGAINST THEM…..

          • Jeff Swanson

            you are 100% corectamundo, MEXICANS never if ONLY very rarely report a crime, EVER, and the “FOOL” expats who live there DON”T EITHER, out of fear, fear of retaliation, fear of deportation, fear of being “Branded” a Mexico basher/trouble maker, my neighbors all had DOZENS of reasons why not to involve the police. AND this is why as well Mexican Government crime stats are all BS!
            While I lived in Mexico had neighbors robbed 8 and 10 times, they NEVER called the police and reported it, had a “Drunk” Mexican (the national LEGAL pastime by the way driving drunk) crash into his home at 3 am, doing over 6k USD in damages, although the front license plate was there when discovered that am, (traceable to the vehicle owner) he would not report it! When I ask WHY? he would not want to TRY LOL to collect the insurance money his reply, “they could be NARCO’s and come back and kill me” Viva La Mexico !

          • Hailey Mannering

            How do you know that ?

          • jarhead1982

            It’s called research of govt data where the US (USDOJ) and multiple countries, Australia Canada England etc perform National Victimization surveys which show a near identical 73.95% of all violent crimes committed are never reported to authorities

            You really are naieve

          • Jeff Swanson

            You know nothing of living in Mexico, really you do not! A hand full of expats paying 300k to 600k OR MORE USD for a 150 year old salitre “WRECK” of a house while the Mexicans all laugh, not to mention what they are going to overbill you to rehab it, doing every thing over 3 or 4 times, while you pay. OBVIOUSLY it’s a no brainer in the old city of Merida, there are no gated communities, But ya don’t have to venture far from there to find them and where the “REAL” Mexicans live. 3 hour response time for police the norm, yes may very by area, and city state in Mexico. You DID NOT report how WHEN, not if you are a victim of a crime in Mexico, your 352 hour “Odyssey” of sitting and dealing with “Jerry’s kid’s the Mexican ;legal system to report it.
            The one or two “Idiots” who respond DO NOTHING, YOU have to go do it all yourself and spend days to weeks sitting in the police station, say this is not true, I am PRE calling you put as a intentional liar! Less than 1% of the time in Mexico is a perp ID’ed, less then 1% of the time in Mexico, is a perp even charged, less than 1% of the time is the perp ever convicted, less then .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the time does he EVER go to prison, I feel safer already.
            as a matter of fact by the corrupt Mexican laws and legal system they have to kick the guy back out on the street in 8 hours! Usually he quickly “Vanishes”
            AND YOU Know every one in Merida has locked gates and 12 foot high security walls !

    • spritrig

      You don’t know what you are talking about. The Constitution of Mexico states that Mexicans can have guns in their home for protection.

      • cargosquid

        Except that the same Constitution weasels out of it.

    • Jeff Swanson

      The guns in Mexico have not a thing to do with the USA, STOP blaming the USA for the shithole that IS Mexico, the USA IS NOT like Mexico in any way, shape or form!
      The weapon of “Choice” in Mexico is a full auto AK47, these were and are imported en mass from SA, from the “Leftist” and commie countries to facilitate insurrections, SORRY to inform you they do not “export” full auto AK47’s from the USA.
      They don’t hang people from bridges there either! (USA) See related story of Laos Cabos/La Paz!
      There IS NO gun violence in the USA when compared to Mexico, which has among the toughest gun control laws in the world, WHICH FAIL to stem the gun valance here, IT IS never ending.
      The reining “Kings of Violence and mayhem” are hands down, the Mexican people!

      AND it only keeps spreading and getting worse every HOUR!

      • gypsyken

        Simply googling “source of illegal guns in Mexico” and “gun violence rates in U.S.” shows that you are flat out wrong, but I suspect that you aren’t much bothered or influenced by facts.

        • jarhead1982

          Yeah horrible how my buddy, an MP in the Panama Canal Zone has different data on the mass numbers of guns smuggled in via central America

          But then since Mexican authorities keep all confiscated guns in a central armory in Mexico City, with over 500,000 guns there, why is it they have only sent about 90,000 guns over the last decade to the FBI for trace…

          Oh that’s right, they only sent the guns that could be traced to the US via serial numbers and Ys manufacturer markings etc etc…

          Not to mention they wouldn’t send ANY of the guns sent to Mexico via the govt military arms program that got stolen by corrupt Mexican officials, as that would make them look bad

          Yeah amazing what one finds when one googles other than anti gun propaganda web sites like ewe do

        • Jeff Swanson

          OK Colt, Smith & Wesson, Ruger are US gun manufacturers, SO since this accounts for many of the worlds guns, well the USA IS the problem? GOOGLE THIS, #1 gun choice’s en Mexico AK47, #2 M16,
          the “colt M16” is the full auto war military version, the AR15 sold in the USA the semi-auto ONLY version. The USA through sales and lend lease provides the Mexican Government and police surplus m16’s (FULL AUTO) these always seem to end up with the bad guys, AND dozens of Mexican Police I personally know of, have been killed just so they could claim the “M16 from him or his vehicle.
          Likewise they are stolen from “POORLY” purposely unsecured government depots, across Mexico
          since Colt, Smith (Smith & Wesson) Ruger are the big US Gun mfgrs, would stand to reason the guns in Mexico are USa made, BUT Glock (Austria) and Beretta (Italy) Walther (Germany) all built plants in the USA as MANY other European Gun mfgr’s to build their weapons there.
          Let me assure you, it IS NOT the Nordic Ski team, (White People) smuggling weapons into Mexico from the USA, it IS thieving killing Mexican Gangs! Any questions?
          Once more they are not smuggling AK47’s or M16’s either !
          It IS illegal to smuggle weapons into Mexico, PERIOD, THEY are violating the law, GET THAT ? So what another law to stop them? WELL?

        • jarhead1982

          Of course the anti gun nazee cant prove this has changed since then, no he never proves anything…

          http : //www . borderlandbeat . com/2011/04/us-backed-programs-supplying-firepower . html

          Felipe Calderón’s Drug War Has Become Hot Market for U.S. Arms Trade 

By: Bill Conroy
Narcosphere



          The dollar value of U.S. private-sector weapons shipments to Mexico in fiscal year 2009 exceeded the value of private arms shipments to two other major conflict regions elsewhere in the world, Iraq and Afghanistan, and even outpaced the value of arms shipped to one of the United States’ staunchest allies, Israel.


          U.S. private-sector suppliers shipped a total of $177 million worth of defense articles — which includes items like military aircraft, firearms and explosives — to Mexico in fiscal 2009, which ended Sept. 30 of that year.

By comparison, over the same period, private arms companies in the U.S. shipped $40 million worth of weapons to Afghanistan; $126 million to Iraq; and $131 million to Israel.

          

In fact, Colombia, the source of most of the world’s cocaine and a major battlefront in the so-called war on drugs, received only $30 million in private-sector arms shipments from the U.S. in fiscal 2009.

The onslaught of weapons that hit Mexico in fiscal 2009 via these legal commercial exports is multiplied even further by the thousands of additional illegal weapons that the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) allegedly allowed to cross the border into Mexico, unchecked, as part of what appears to be a seriously flawed operation known as Fast and Furious — which was launched in October 2009.



          This double whammy of deadly firepower pouring into Mexico through these U.S.-sanctioned programs also coincides with a major spike in Mexico’s murder rate over the same period.



          The revelation of Mexico’s emergence as a leading market for the private-sector arms trade in fiscal 2009 surfaced after an examination of the most recently available figures for the State Department program that oversees foreign arms sales by U.S. companies.

          

Under that program, the U.S. State Department requires private companies in the United States to obtain an export license in order to sell defense hardware or services to foreign purchasers — which include both government units and private buyers in other countries.

          These arms deals are known as Direct Commercial Sales (DCS). Each year, the State Department issues a report tallying the volume and dollar amount of DCS items approved for export and shipped — with the most recent report covering fiscal 2009.

        • jarhead1982

          There is this little armory in Mexico that has all the weapons confiscated by the Mexican government.

          http : //www . msnbc . msn . com/id/30603909

          As noted in the MSNBC report, (not gun friendly) those nearly 500,000 weapons (whole lot more since then) represent only a fraction of the weapons in drug cartels hands.

          Yet of the over 31,000 guns confiscated in 2008, only 7,200 
were sent to the US for traceability where 3,400 were found to originate from the US. (that’s 10.9% for you mathematical illiterates)

          If so many were indeed from gun stores in the US, why shouldn’t the Mexican government supply those other 24,000 weapons for tracing?

          There is no logical
 reason, unless they already know that is not the case eh?



          ATF notes that most weapons have a 14 year life from manufacture to crime. Easily those 3,400 weapons (10.9% of what was confiscated) could have been purchased over that 14 year time span, prove otherwise..

          The US has requested access to review the weapons in the armory yet the Mexican government will not allow this, why? Based on experience in the level of corruption in business dealings in Mexico, one can safely determine that with greater power, greater corruption.

          How many legal shipments of firearms to Mexico have been diverted into the drug cartels hands? Do believe if the US found out that a significant percentage of the weapons they provided were being diverted, something would be done don’t you?

          Grenades, rockets launchers, all sorts of “military hardware” not available to the public in the US, yet the civilians and gun stores are the main conduit for firearms into Mexico, ROTFLMFAO, yeah right.

          Of course, the nearly 120,000 deserters from the Mexican army and taking their firearms have no impact as absolutely NONE of these people then find work in the drug cartels eh?

          http : //articles . sfgate . com/2007-06-24/news/17248068_1_cartels-traffickers-soldiers.

          There is also the economic and technical side of the story.

          Technical in that the majority of rifles in that armory are true assault weapons.

          

Full auto AK-47’s that cost $300-$400 on the black market

          AK-47 (select fire single shot and full auto) in US cost between $13,000 to $15,000 dollars and have a stringent requirement from the ATF on purchase and possession. Where are all the arrests?

          Semi Auto AK-47 cost from $400-$500, machine shop and a conversion kit adding another $200-$300 in materials and time.

          Yet the antis want you to believe the cartels would pay the extra money to do so, lol!

          They are violent, not stupid!

          So until the Mexican government allows the ATF to go in and identify the weapons and trace, highly unlikely as major Mexican players are involved, any claims that US citizens are the major source of firearms rather than the government which licenses and sells over $34 million in small arms to Mexico every year is baby cocka!

          
http : //www . fas . org/asmp/library/reports/AAAS . htm
          
http : //www . mexidata . info/id2684 . html

          Prove otherwise little child!

          Oh yeah, lets see you prove that study wrong.

        • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

          do you live here in Mexico gypsyken? what part? the full autos Ak 47s here in Sinaloa are not American made. many are imported from China with the raw ephedrine required to make the methamphetamine.

    • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

      again my comment got deleted. thats twice. i guess the folks that run this site dont like the fact that more people were killed in the US last year by second hand cig smoke than by guns. Bunch of fascists against freedom of speech. i even provided supporting links the first time.

  • el Gallinazo

    If every sheep carried a Glock, the wolves would be a lot skinnier and fewer. Being able to defend oneself is just another aspect of self-sufficiency.

  • flylowguy

    They ought to skip the expense and paperwork that guns require’ Stock up on wasp spray. That will stop the baddest of bad guys and it can shoot 40′.

    • jarhead1982

      Even better when you use a lighter with it

  • jarhead1982

    Mexico 2013 113 mi pop, 32,000+ murders, 68% by illegal use of a gun

    Only one gun store in gun ban paradise Mexico

    So how many of those 2.8 mil gun owner certificates commited those murders……

    Brazil 2013 199 mil pop 58,000+ murders, 67% by illegal use of a gun

    No gun stores in gun ban paradise

    US 2013 314 mil pop, 9.829 murders by illegal use of a gun, 97.3% commited by career criminals, felons, gang members, suiciders, crazies, domestic violence abusers and illegal aliens, none of which were lawful gun owners to begin with

    Such a consistent trend world wide, actual criminals being responsible for most killings

    Such a consistent trend world wide, gun control of only the law abiding failing to stop violence by criminals

    • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

      excellent comment. very well said.

    • Hailey Mannering

      Looking at first world countries (as stats are reliable), violent crime is low in countries that don`t have a gun culture: Canada, Japan, South Korea, western Europe. In comparison, many parts of USA have a serious problem with violent crime, despite the common use of guns.

      • jarhead1982

        Just horrible how 98% of those areas of the US that have a violent crime problem, are controlled by leftist demokraps like you…..

        Here are the real facts, just look at the most violent cities in the US, and the highest murder rates, 82% of which are controlled by someone other than republicans……

        Hmmmm, that closely matches the FBI UCR data pointing out that 87% of all violent crimes are committed by that 30% of the population, not white, who votes 95% predominantly demokrap…..

        We dont believe in causality….or do we….the anti gun fascist demokraps believe in causality, so they are guilty of being the most violent immoral part of our society as this data clearly proves, therefore it is reasonable and common sense all demokraps should be locked away for public safety.

        In fact were we to do so, our violent crime rate would then drop below that of gun ban paradise Europe…..

        State/city, Population, Murder Rate, Mayor, % of Whites

        Missouri St. Louis 317,095 59.3 D
        Maryland Baltimore 621,252 55.4 D
        Michigan Detroit 673,225 43.8 D
        Louisiana New Orleans 393,447 41.7 D
        New Jersey Newark* 279,110 33.3 D
        Illinois Chicago 2,728,695 28.7 D
        Wisconsin Milwaukee 600,400 24.2 D
        District Of Columbia Washington 672,228 24.1 D
        Missouri Kansas City 473,373 23 D
        Ohio Cincinnati 298,478 22.1 D
        Tennessee Memphis 657,936 20.5 D
        California Oakland 419,481 20.3 D
        Georgia Atlanta 464,710 20.2 D
        Pennsylvania Pittsburgh 306,870 18.6 D
        Pennsylvania Philadelphia 1,567,810 17.9 D
        Indiana Indianapolis 863,675 17.1 D
        Florida Miami 437,969 17.1 R 0.119
        Ohio Cleveland* 388,655 16.2 D
        California Stockton 304,890 16.1 D
        New York Buffalo 258,096 15.9 D
        Oklahoma Tulsa 401,520 13.7 R 0.579
        Texas Houston 2,275,221 13.3 D
        North Carolina Durham 257,911 13.2 D
        Kentucky Louisville Metro 680,550 11.9 D
        Florida Orlando 268,438 11.9 D
        Oklahoma Oklahoma City 630,621 11.6 R 0.567
        Minnesota Minneapolis 413,479 11.4 D
        Florida Jacksonville 867,258 11.2 R 0.551
        Tennessee NashvilleMetropolitan 658,029 10.9 D
        Nebraska Omaha 452,252 10.6 R 0.709
        Texas Dallas 1,301,977 10.4 D
        New Jersey Jersey City 265,159 10.2 D
        Indiana Fort Wayne 259,712 9.6 D
        Alabama Mobile 250,346 9.6 R 0.439
        Florida Tampa 364,383 9.3 D
        Ohio Columbus 847,745 9.1 D
        North Carolina Greensboro 285,950 9.1 D
        California Sacramento 489,717 8.8 D
        Alaska Anchorage 301,239 8.6 D
        Ohio Toledo 279,552 8.6 D
        Nevada Las Vegas 1,562,134 8.1 I
        Colorado Denver 682,418 7.8 D
        New Mexico Albuquerque 559,721 7.7 D
        California Long Beach 476,318 7.6 D
        California Fresno 520,837 7.5 R 0.3
        Arizona Phoenix 1,559,744 7.2 D
        California Los Angeles 3,962,726 7.1 D
        North Carolina Charlotte-Mecklenburg 877,817 6.9 D
        Kansas Wichita 389,824 6.9 R 0.451
        Colorado Aurora 360,237 6.7 R 0.33

        9 republicans/50 most violent cities = 0.18%

        • Hailey Mannering

          You know nothing about my politics and this thread is about Mexico !

          • jarhead1982

            You’re anti gun = fascist, all one needs to know

            You are by default a criminal advocate

          • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

            i have lived here full time for 14 years and have a Mexican family. I would prefer to have a gun but dont want to go through the procedure to get one. i moved here because i didnt like the weather in Oklahoma any more. Ice storms suck. and that was before Calderon declared war on the cartels. it wasnt very violent then. Now it definitely pays to pay attention.

      • jarhead1982

        Man was looking at the top 50 cities in the world with the highest murder rates and GASP, they are all fascist demokrap paradises like you want…..and geez, which of those have republican mayors, why none of them of course komrade

        Firther proof how gun control of only the law abiding doesnt reduce violence by crimInals ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD!

        City, murders, population, murder rate

        1 Caracas Venezuela 4,308 3,305,204 130.35

        2 Acapulco Mexico 918 810,669 113.24

        3 San Pedro Sula Honduras 845 753,864 112.09

        4 Distrito Central Honduras 1,027 1,206,897 85.09

        5 Ciudad Victoria Mexico 293 346,029 84.67

        6 Maturín Venezuela 499 592,574 84.21

        7 San Salvador El Salvador 1,483 1,778,467 83.39

        8 Ciudad Guayana Venezuela 727 877,547 82.84

        9 Natal Brazil 1,097 1,577,072 69.56

        10 Fortaleza Brazil 1,808 2,609,716[3 69.28

        11 Belém Brazil 1,633 2,422,481 67.41

        12 Aracaju Brazil 589 938,550 62.76

        13 Cape Town South Africa 2,434 4,005,000 60.77

        14 St. Louis United States 188 311,404 60.37

        15 Feira de Santana Brazil 375 622,639 60.23

        16 Vitória da Conquista Brazil 208 346,069 60.10

        17 Barquisimeto Venezuela 785 1,322,068 59.38

        18 Cumaná Venezuela 266 488,507 59.31

        19 Campos dos Goytacazes Brazil 275 487,186 56.45

        20 Salvador Brazil 2,180 3,984,583 54.71

        21 Cali Colombia 1,358 2,514,759 54.00

        22 Tijuana Mexico 871 1,641,570 53.06

        23 Guatemala City Guatemala 1,596 3,026,729 52.73

        24 Culiacán Mexico 469 905,265 51.81

        25 Maceió Brazil 529 1,021,709 51.78

        26 Baltimore United States 318 621,849 51.14

        27 Mazatlán Mexico 245 502,547 48.75

        28 Recife Brazil 1,887 3,940,456 47.89

        29 Joao Pessoa Brazil 530 1,114,039 47.57

        30 Gran Barcelona Venezuela 397 846,353 46.86

        31 Palmira, Valle del Cauca Colombia 142 306,727 46.30

        32 Kingston Jamaica 545 1,199,613 45.43

        33 Sao Luis Brazil 693 1,526,213 45.41

        34 New Orleans United States 176 389,617 45.17

        35 Valencia Venezuela 1,124 1,560,586 72.02

        36 Detroit United States 302 677,116 44.60

        37 Ciudad Juárez Mexico 607 1,391,180 43.63

        38 Teresina Brazil 363 847,430 42.84

        39 Cuiabá Brazil 365 856,706 42.61

        40 Chihuahua Mexico 369 878,062 42.02

        41 Obregón Mexico 133 324,788 40.95

        42 Goiânia e Aparecida de Goiânia Brazil 782 1,980,774 39.48

        43 Nelson Mandela Bay South Africa 495 1,263,000 39.19

        44 Armenia Colombia 145 376,185 38.54

        45 Macapá Brazil 179 465,495 38.45

        46 Manaus Brazil 801 2,094,391 38.25

        47 Vitoria Brazil 681 1,813,977 37.54

        48 Cúcuta Colombia 305 824,406 37.00

        49 Curitiba Metro Brazil 1,148 3,287,046 34.92

        50 Durban South Africa 1,261 3,662,000 34.43

        • Hailey Mannering

          Why go off on a that tangent ? The safest countries tend to be lefitist, but in Mexico now the cartels are the big problem, whichever party is in power.

          • Jeff Swanson

            Safest countries leftist? Pass the Kool-Aid Rev Jones, all one has to do is look at the stats posted here, ALL the crime and violence in the USA is in the “Left” wing controlled areas, undeniable fact. And as correctly posted here, THEY tend to have the toughest gun laws.
            Look at DC, which votes 99.7% Democrat, mayor smokes crack, one of the most dangerous US Cities, textbook case for intervention

          • Hailey Mannering

            I know the difference between a country and a US city.

          • jarhead1982

            And it is the cities controlled by leftist fascist demokraps for decades like you that jack the violent crime rate so high, end of story

          • jarhead1982

            You’re the fool buying into the blatant lies in the article above

            Pointing out how gun control is such a pathetic failure in your neck of the woods is evidence you can’t counter further destroys your rantings as clearly you haven’t a cue wtf real proof is

            All you do is wail and whine in an emotional impotent rage of the perpetually stupid

        • Hailey Mannering

          If you must go on that tangent: Montreal (in leftist Canada): Population: 1,704,694 Homicides during 2017 so far: 20. Montrealers don`t have a gun culture, by the way.

          • jarhead1982

            Aw isnt that precious, it infers one point data makes your case, whereas in reality it only makes your case of being stupid…..now post their murder data from when they implemented strict gun control and banned handguns in 1996-2017 and prove a difference child…..oh wait, ewe cant…

            See thats how one with an IQ over 0 logically and accurately ascertains the effects of a legislative act sweety….you didnt do that, dismissed

          • Hailey Mannering

            Look it up yourself. 2017 had the lowest murder rate for Montreal in 45 years. The point is that in some places, such as Canada or Merida, people do not feel they need guns for protection because they have very little violent crime. I`m from Canada and never heard of some one wanting a gun for protection.

          • jarhead1982

            One point data statements are the claims of proven liars

            Your faux causality is the claim of the proven liar

            End of story

          • King Trollo

            re that city list: honduras and guatemala have very loose gun laws. brazil and mexico are strict, most of the rest are moderate. i think el salvadors are slightly loose

            most american cities with low murder rates haves loose gun laws, but then so do the highest rate cities (new orleans, memphis, st. louis, detroit etc.)

          • jarhead1982

            WOW, sounds like getting a gun in Guatemala, is like getting a gun in Commiefornia, a bunch of regulatory hoops, and limitations on ammo and such….we call that strict in the US sweety…

            http : //www . gunpolicy . org/firearms/region/guatemala

            In Guatemala, only licensed gun owners83 84 85 86 87 22 may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition

            CompareGenuine Reason Required for Firearm Possession

            Applicants for a gun owner’s licence in Guatemala are not required to establish a genuine reason to possess a firearm, but gun ownership for personal security reasons requires government approval, and firearm collection is permitted88 89 90 91

            CompareMinimum Age for Firearm Possession

            The minimum age for gun ownership in Guatemala is undefined,91 but is 25 years for a permit to carry,92 with exceptions for younger competitive sports shooters93

            CompareGun Owner Background Checks

            An applicant for a firearm licence in Guatemala must pass a background check which considers criminal, mental health and Army or Police service86 87 89 94 95 22 8 records

            CompareReference Required for Firearm Licence

            In Guatemala, third party character references for each gun licence applicant are not required91

            ComparePartner to be Advised or Interviewed

            In Guatemala, licensing authorities are not required91 to conduct interviews with, or to advise an applicant’s spouse, partner, or next of kin before issuing a gun licence

            CompareDomestic Violence and Firearms

            Where a past history, or apprehended likelihood of family violence exists, the law in Guatemala does not stipulate96 95 97 that a gun licence should be denied or revoked

            CompareFirearm Safety Training

            In Guatemala, an understanding of firearm safety and the law, tested in a theoretical and/or practical training course is required98 89 99 for a firearm licence

            CompareGun Owner Licensing Period

            In Guatemala, gun owners must re-apply and re-qualify for their firearm licence every one to three years86 100 88

            CompareLicensing Records

            In Guatemala, authorities maintain a record71 85 83 of individual civilians licensed to acquire, possess, sell or transfer a firearm or ammunition

            CompareLimit on Number of Guns

            Licensed firearm owners in Guatemala are permitted to possess any number of firearms101

            CompareLimit on Quantity, Type of Ammunition

            Licensed firearm owners in Guatemala are permitted to possess only 250 rounds of ammunition of a calibre for which a carrying licence is held and only 200 rounds of ammunition of a calibre for which a possession licence is held102 103

  • fsilber

    Think of it as merely a temporary measure, until Mexican police keep the public free of dangerous criminals.

    • jarhead1982

      That’s never gonna happen

  • kallen

    Two things to keep in mind: 1) perception is reality. If they feel safer then they probably are and at a minimum the stress in their lives will decrease and that itself is a health benefit. 2) The increase in probability of dying if you own a gun is misleading and could probably be drastically reduced by proper training. Its like outlawing cars because they cause many deaths; where a seat belt, drive defensively and learn well and the rates go down.

  • Blade

    Yes, but those are the people who have “registered” firearms. I know several Mexican friends and acquaintances who have firearms and I am quite sure that they are not “registered”. Crime is getting out of control in Mexico and the corruption goes all the way to the top.

  • SteveS.in.Baja

    How many of the deaths attributed to firearms are from legally purchased weapons?

  • Fred Jones

    One Senorita in Merida said to me that “guns were dangerous”. That statement made me realize that she and others in Mexico had been brainwashed by the government to believe such an untruth. She would not give ground when I tried to discuss that guns were not dangerous unless they were in the hands of a dangerous person. Funny, she also told me I was dangerous because I had IT network experience finding open printers and open computers used by the hotel personnel I was staying in including here personal laptop. I did help close these security access points.

    • spritrig

      Señoritas in Merida are much lovelier than guns.

    • Hailey Mannering

      It also sounds like she didn`t feel guns were necessary in Merida.

      • jarhead1982

        Unsubstantiated opinion = no proof = its a lie

  • Hailey Mannering

    For those of you who think “a-l-l” of Mexico is dangerous 1) Why do you say Merida and Yucatan state are dangerous? I`ve lived here for years and don`t know of anyone who feels they need a gun for protection.

    2) Why are you living in Mexico ?

    • jarhead1982

      Why do they have armed guards and security personnel escorting us to any of the manufacturing plants we go to eh….surely they arent doing it just for laughs eh….

      • Hailey Mannering

        What manufacturing plants in Yucatan state are you referring to ? By the way, the truth still is Merida and Yucatan state are safe, even though some guards transporting money from banks are armed – as they would be in Canada. If Merida area was unsafe, why would there be the implosion of hotel and housing construction now ?

        • jarhead1982

          Mexico sweety, Mexico, geez you are obtuse

          No your claims have no proof

          Do you know what proof means, apparently not

        • jarhead1982

          Mexico child, Mexico…..Aw, censorship, and here you are unable to provide one single shred of data to back your claims, typikal

        • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

          there is a ton of new construction here in the Mazatlan area and according to this Mexico News Daily site itself the murder rate is going to set a record in Sinaloa and many other Mexican states. like i said before, i moved here a long time ago. am a legal permanent resident and have a Mexican family so i am not going anywhere but it definitely pays to pay attention.

  • j_b_spence

    Where did they get those statistics?? I don’t believe them.
    The murder rate across the USA is low except in ghetto areas … and there most people with guns
    legally should not have them (eg, felons). And yes, the laws against owning firearms
    are the strictest in those places (eg, Oakland, Chicago, New Orleans).

    • King Trollo

      theres no ‘gun control’ in new orleans at all. its one of the loosest gun jurisdictions in the usa

      san fran is strict, but chicasgos laws are far more in the middle than people realise

      • jarhead1982

        Yeah, that whole forcing of gun stores out of the city, so as to limit law abidiing citizens the opportunity, especially the poorer citizens, FOID card BS, registration….etc, etc…thats not middle of the road….well maybe to a fascist Nazee thats middle of the road….

  • Jeff Swanson

    Sick of the liberal “left wing” gated community crap, that’s what it is. The “Gated’ community WAS invented in Mexico. Today all they build is gated communities in Mexico for the MEXICANS, who fed up with the government and police, allowing murdering armed “SCUM” to patrol the streets with TOTAL impunity, robbing and looting. EVERY Mexican now dreams and aspires to move into one.
    Let me ask you Mexico “EXPERTS” WHAT ? exactly do you do when at 3 am a masked robber is at your front door hacking his way in with a machete?
    Call the police? Good idea NOB, not Mexico. response time 3 hours to 3 days. OK WHAT NOW? This Don’t happen in the USA cause the “Robber” knows you have a Glock n9, with a 17 round clip, you will pump him so full of lead, they will need a forklift to pick him up.
    BUT we are in Mexico, gotta sit and be a victim, as my friends who this happened to while living in Mexico were, Paradise!
    The Mexican Constitution guaranteed (past tenths) gun ownership, the government eroded that over many years. How many know in 1972 FACT, the gov of Mexico came out and stated “the police and military are now fully prepared and able to protect ALL the people of Mexico, private gun ownership is banned’
    You now know the procedure, time and money to get a gun in Mexico.

    • Hailey Mannering

      Very few people in Merida live in gated communities. People pay a big premium to live in areas such as the centre of Merida, which aren`t gated. Not “all” of Mexico is as you say.

      • jarhead1982

        No proof = lies

    • Hailey Mannering

      Yes, a tiny percentage of Merida people live in gated communities. Many use the traditional bars over windows, and a very few have a very tall wall around their properties. However, almost no one here worries
      about a home invasion. They want to protect their homes against theft while they`re away – especially if they`re away for months on end. I have posted on this thread where you can go online to get a good idea of whether Merida – or any other part of Mexico is safe. Yet, a group of you just seem to want to blindly say there are “no” safe parts of Mexico. Mexico is very large and diverse.

  • jarhead1982

    Worth the read. Regarding isis/isil/jihadists/criminals/Rattlesnake Logic….

    After the Boston bombing the news media spent days and weeks trying to determine why these men did what they did.

    They want to know what America did(!) to make these brothers so angry with us.

    They want to know why these men were not arrested before they did something so terrible.

    The media is in a tizzy about this new era of homegrown radicals and about why and how they can live among us and still hate us.

    A friend of mine from Texas explained it all to me: “Here in west Texas, I have rattlesnakes on my place, living among us.

    I have killed a rattlesnake on the front porch. 
I have killed a rattlesnake on the back porch. 
I have killed rattlesnakes in the barn, in the shop and on thedriveway.
In fact, I kill every rattlesnake I encounter.

    I kill rattlesnakes because I know a rattlesnake will bite me and inject me with poison.

    I don’t stop to wonder WHY a rattlesnake will bite me; I know it WILL bite me
because it’s a rattlesnake and that’s what rattlesnakes do.

    I don’t try to reason with a rattlesnake or have a “meaningful dialogue” with it…I just kill it.

    I don’t try to get to know the rattlesnake better so I can find a way to live with the
rattlesnakes and convince them not to bite me.

    I just kill them. I don’t quiz a rattlesnake to see if I can find out where the other snakes are, because (a) it won’t tell me and (b) I already know they live on my place.

    So, I just kill the rattlesnake and move on to the next one.

    I don’t look for ways I might be able to change the rattlesnake to a non-poisonous rat snake…I just kill it.

    Oh, and on occasion, I accidentally kill a rat snake because I thought it was a rattlesnake at the time.

    Also, I know for every rattlesnake I kill, two more are lurking out there in the brush. In my lifetime I will never be able to rid my place of rattlesnakes.

    Do I fear them? Not really.

    Do I respect what they can do to me and my family?

    Yes!! And because of that respect, I give them the fair justice they deserve….I kill them…

    As a country, we should start giving more thought to the fact that these isis/isil/jihadists are telling the world their goal is to kill Americans and destroy our way of life.

    They have just posted two graphic videos on the internet showing them
beheading Americans.

    They are serious.

    They are exactly like rattlesnakes. It is high time for us to start acting accordingly!

  • jarhead1982

    http : / /articles . latimes . com/2007/nov/09/world/fg-autopsy9

    Japanese police see no evil….and underreport violence, typikal elftists

  • jarhead1982

    https : //mises . org/blog/gun-control-fails-what-happened-england-ireland-and-canada?utm_content=buffer22a6f&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook . com&utm_campaign=buffer

    Uh oh, gun control fails again….typikal

  • jarhead1982

    Man gun ban paradises sure are violent and all those guns….oh wait, they are cirminals, you all dont give a schiite about getting the guns out of criminals hands, you only care about taking away law abiding citizens guns…got it!

    In 2013, we had 33,636 fatal injuries involving firearms. (SOURCE: http : //webappa . cdc . gov/sasweb/ . . . )


    In 2013, we had 84,258 nonfatal injuries involving firearms. (SOURCE: http : //webappa . cdc . gov/sasweb/ . . . )

    Honduras 90.4 2012

    
Venezuela 53.7 2012

    
Virgin Islands 52.6 2013


    Belize 44.7 2012

    
El Salvador 41.2 2012


    Guatemala 39.9 2012


    Jamaica 39.3 2012


    Lesotho 38 2010


    Swaziland 33.8 2012

    
Saint Kitts and Nevis 33.6 2012

    
South Africa 31 2012

    
Colombia 30.8 2012


    Bahamas 29.8 2012

    
Democratic Republic of the Congo 28.3 2012


    Trinidad and Tobago 28.3 2012

    
Puerto Rico 26.5 2012

    
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 25.6 2012


    Brazil 25.2 2012

    
Rwanda 23.1 2012


    Dominican Republic 22.1 2012

    
Saint Lucia 21.6 2012


    Mexico 21.5 2012

    
Dominica 21.1 2010


    Montserrat (UK) 20.4 2008


    Nigeria 20 2012


    Greenland (Denmark) 19.4 2009


    Equatorial Guinea 19.3 2012


    Botswana 18.4 2012


    Namibia 17.2 2012


    Panama 17.2 2012

    
Guyana 17 2012


    Saint Pierre and Miquelon (France) 16.5 2009


    Myanmar 15.2 2012


    Cayman Islands (UK) 14.7 2009


    South Sudan 13.9 2012

    
Ivory Coast 13.6 2012


    Grenada 13.3 2012


    French Guiana (France) 13.3 2009


    Turkmenistan 12.8 2012

    
Tanzania 12.7 2012


    Congo 12.5 2012


    Mozambique 12.4 2012

    Ecuador 12.4 2012


    Bolivia 12.1 2012


    Ethiopia 12 2012

    
Central African Republic 11.8 2012

    
Nicaragua 11.3 2012


    Sudan 11.2 2012


    Antigua and Barbuda 11.2 2012


    Madagascar 11.1 2012


    Uganda 10.7 2011


    Zambia 10.7 2012


    Zimbabwe 10.6 2012


    Papua New Guinea 10.4 2010


    Cape Verde 10.3 2012


    Togo 10.3 2012


    Gambia 10.2 2012


    Haiti 10.2 2012


    Djibouti 10.1 2012


    Comoros 10 2012


    Angola 10 2012


    Paraguay 9.7 2012


    Mongolia 9.7 2011


    Peru 9.6 2012

    
Seychelles 9.5 2012


    Russia 9.2 2012


    Gabon 9.1 2012


    Kyrgyzstan 9.1 2011


    Guinea 8.9 2012


    Philippines 8.8 2012


    Costa Rica 8.5 2012


    Benin 8.4 2012


    Guinea-Bissau 8.4 2012

    
British Virgin Islands (UK) 8.4 2006

    
Kiribati 8.2 2011


    Burundi 8 2012


    Somalia 8 2012


    Burkina Faso 8 2012


    Iraq 8 2012


    Guadeloupe (France) 7.9 2009


    Uruguay 7.9 2012

    
Kazakhstan 7.8 2012


    Bermuda (UK) 7.7 2012


    Pakistan 7.7 2012


    Cameroon 7.6 2012

    
Mali 7.5 2012


    Anguilla (UK) 7.5 2012


    Barbados 7.4 2012


    Palestine 7.4 2012


    Chad 7.3 2012


    Eritrea 7.1 2012

    
Lithuania 6.7 2012


    Turks and Caicos Islands (UK) 6.6 2009


    Cambodia 6.5 2012


    Afghanistan 6.5 2012

    
Moldova 6.5 2012


    Kenya 6.4 2012

    
Ghana 6.1 2012

    
Suriname 6.1 2012


    Mayotte (France) 6 2009

    
Laos 5.9 2012


    Argentina 5.5 2010

    
North Korea 5.2 2012

    
Belarus 5.1 2010


    Mauritania 5 2012


    Thailand 5 2011


    Estonia 5 2011


    Albania 5 2012


    Yemen 4.8 2010

    
Niger 4.7 2012


    United States 4.7 2012


    Latvia 4.7 2012


    Micronesia 4.6 2012


    Georgia 4.3 2010


    Ukraine 4.3 2010

    
Solomon Islands 4.3 2012


    Cuba 4.2 2012

    
Tuvalu 4.2 2012


    Fiji 4 2012


    Aruba (Netherlands) 3.9 2010

    
Iran 3.9 2012


    Maldives 3.9 2012


    Uzbekistan 3.7 2012

    
Timor-Leste 3.6 2010


    Kosovo 3.6 2010

    
Niue 3.6 2012

    
Samoa 3.6 2012

    
India 3.5 2012


    egypt 3.4 2011


    Sri Lanka 3.4 2011


    Sao Tome and Principe 3.3 2011


    Vietnam 3.3 2012

    
New Caledonia (France) 3.3 2009


    Liberia 3.2 2012


    Chile 3.1 2012

    
Palau 3.1 2012


    Cook Islands 3.1 2012

    
Taiwan 3 2011


    Nepal 2.9 2011


    Vanuatu 2.9 2012


    Mauritius 2.8 2011


    Senegal 2.8 2012

    
Malta 2.8 2012


    Martinique (France) 2.7 2009


    Bangladesh 2.7 2012


    Montenegro 2.7 2012


    Turkey 2.6 2011


    United Arab Emirates 2.6 2012


    Guam (US) 2.5 2011

    
Malaysia 2.3 2012


    Morocco 2.2 2012

    
Tunisia 2.2 2012


    Lebanon 2.2 2010


    Syria 2.2 2010


    Norway 2.2 2011

    
Azerbaijan 2.1 2010


    Brunei 2 2012


    Cyprus 2 2012


    Jordan 2 2011


    Sierra Leone 1.9 2012

    
Bulgaria 1.9 2012


    Malawi 1.8 2012


    Réunion France) 1.8 2009


    Armenia 1.8 2012

    
Israel 1.8 2012


    Libya 1.7 2012


    Bhutan 1.7 2012


    Romania 1.7 2012


    Greece 1.7 2011


    Canada 1.6 2012

    
Tajikistan 1.6 2011

    
Finland 1.6 2012


    Belgium 1.6 2012


    Slovakia 1.4 2012

    
Macedonia 1.4 2011


    Hungary 1.3 2012


    Andorra 1.3 2010


    Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.3 2011


    Nauru 1.3 2012


    Poland 1.2 2011

    
Ireland 1.2 2012

    
Croatia 1.2 2012


    Portugal 1.2 2012


    Serbia 1.2 2012

    
Oman 1.1 2011


    Qatar 1.1 2012


    Australia 1.1 2012

    
China 1 2010


    Czech Republic 1 2012

    
United Kingdom 1 2011


    France 1 2012


    Tonga 1 2012


    South Korea 0.9 201

    1
Italy 0.9 2012


    Austria 0.9 2012


    Netherlands 0.9 2012


    New Zealand 0.9 2012

    
Saudi Arabia 0.8 2012

    
Denmark 0.8 2012


    Spain 0.8 2012

    Germany 0.8 2011


    Luxembourg 0.8 2011


    Algeria 0.7 2011


    Macao 0.7 2010
S

    weden 0.7 2012


    San Marino 0.7 2012

    Slovenia 0.7 2012

    Indonesia 0.6 2012

    Switzerland 0.6 2011

    
Bahrain 0.5 2011


    Hong Kong 0.4 2012


    Kuwait 0.4 2012


    French Polynesia (France) 0.4 2009

    
Japan 0.3 2011


    Iceland 0.3 2012


    Singapore 0.2 2012


    Liechtenstein 0 2012

    
Monaco 0 2008

  • jarhead1982

    Oh darn, here is just a sample of the countries, all of whom have strict gun control, and their murder rates by illegal use of a gun, care to do the 206 countries in the following link?

    AMazing how Venezuela is much higher in murders now, they being a gun ban socialistic paradise and all…..

    

http : //www . unodc . org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/Homicide/Globa_study_on_homicide_2011_web . pdf



    Rate per 100k people

    
Honduras 68.4


    El Salvador 39.9


    Jamiaca 39.4


    Venezuela 39


    Guatemala 34.8


    Columbia 27.1


    Brazil 18.1


    South Africa 17


    Dominican Republic 16.3


    Panama 16.1


    Ecuador 12.7


    Mexico 10

    
Paraguay 7.3


    Haiti 6.09


    Nicaragua 5.9


    USA 3.6

  • jarhead1982

    http : //www . cdc . gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr47/nvs47_04 . pdf

    http : //www . fbi . gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/1997/97sec2 . pdf

    http : //www . cdc . gov/nchs/data/mvsr/mv41_12 . pdf

    http : //www . infoplease . com/ipa/A0764212 . html

    In the US Per FBI UCR & CDC in 1991 24,700 murders, consistent % where firearms used is 67.8% =16,747 murders by illegal use of firearm, 15,383 suicides by firearms, 657 justifiable homicides, 1,463 accidental firearms deaths =34,250 deaths where firearms were used

    2013 14,196 murders 69% used a firearm = 9,795, 681 justifiable homicides, 505 accidental deaths, 21,175 suicides = 32,156 deaths where a firearm was used.

    Since 1991 to 2013, that is a reduction in…..


    Totals / Rate


    Violent Crime -39.2% / -51.47%

    
Murder w gun -41.52% / -54.09%

    
Rape -25.27% / -38.54% 


    Robbery -49.84% / -58.31%


    Assault -33.84% /-47.1%

    Accidental deaths -45.23% / -56.31%

    Amazing how those are the highest total reductions of ANY country in the world during that time!

    So explain again how since 1991 there has been a 42% increase in firearms in civilian hands there hasn’t been a 42% increase in violence or suicide?

  • jarhead1982

    Canada 1997 958 VCR per 100k people 2013 1,092 VCR per 100k people, murder rose from 560 to 610 (Ref Statcan)

    http : //www5 . statcan . gc . ca/subject-sujet/subtheme-soustheme . action ; jsessionid=8D2AA1C6360138D81357F63393EC6C97?pid=2693&id=2102&lang=eng&more=0

    http : //www . statcan . gc . ca/pub/85-002-x/2014001/article/14108/tbl/tbl01a-eng . htm

    You better remember though, see any country tied to Englands legal system as Australia and Canada are, only report the number of cases SOLVED, not those reported like in the US.

    Money bets thats how the politicians do in Mexico so as to not startle the peasants eh

  • jarhead1982

    http : //www . forbes . com/sites/danielfisher/2013/01/22/canada-tried-registering-long-guns-and-gave-up/

    http : //cssa-cila . org/rights/what-police-have-said-about-the-gun-registry/

    Wow even the CANNUCK cops know the registry is BS…

    • Hailey Mannering

      Canadians opposed the gun registry as it was a thinly diguised tax grab.

      • jarhead1982

        That stopped the govt how again……

  • jarhead1982

    http : // en . wikipedia . org / wiki / List_of_rampage_killers

    Number of incidents listed

    Africa/Middle East 88

    Americas 119

    Asia132

    Europe106

    Oceania/Maritime Southeast Asia142

    Workplace101

    Educational settings 65

    Hate crimes 26

    Home intruders 88

    Familicides – U.S. 111

    Familicides – Europe104

    Familicides – Rest of world147

    Vehicular 33

    Grenade 28

    Other 46

    Total1336

  • jarhead1982

    http : //www . state . gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2015/index . htm

    Whoopsie, got to include terrorism as clearly that’s using GUNS ILLEGALLY

    n 2015, a total of 11,774 terrorist attacks occurred worldwide, resulting in more than 28,300 total deaths and more than 35,300 people injured. In addition, more than 12,100 people were kidnapped or taken hostage. In this report we describe patterns of worldwide terrorist activity with respect to changes during the year, geographic concentration, casualties, perpetrator organizations, tactics, weapons, and targets.

    Table 1: Terrorist attacks and casualties worldwide by month, 2015

  • jarhead1982

    http : //www . latimes . com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-lott-mass-shootings-adjust-for-population-20160731-snap-story . html

    Whoops US isn’t #1 in mass shootings

    Amazing how many rampage and mass shootings there are in the other 205 countries, most of whom are gun ban paradises….hmmmm….thought you anti gun morons claimed gun control stopped such attacks…do tell!

    http : //www . state . gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2015/index . htm

  • jarhead1982

    Hey, lets review how many mass shootings in gun free paradises we have eh!

    Location Number killed Date



    Bir-al-Abed, Egypt 305 11/24/2017

    Colfax LA 153 4/13/1873

    Garissa University Kenya 147 4/2/2015

    Pakistan Military school 142 12/15/14

    Paris France 128 11/14/15

    Norway attacks 77 7/22/2011


    Westgate Mall, Nairobi Kenya 67 9/21/2013


    Grozny Chechnya 60 2/5/2000

    Las Vegas Nevada 58 10/1/2017

    Gyeongsagnam-do, South Korea 57 4/27/1982


    Agricultural College, Potiskum Nigeria 50 9/29/2013


    Pulse Nightclub Orlando FL 49 6/12/2016

    Boipatong S Africa 45 6/17/1992

    Ayotzinapa teaching college, Iguala Mexico 43 September 26, 2014

    Yobe State Boarding School Nigeria 42 2/25/14

    Zhaodong China 42 11/18/1995

    Nightclub Istanbul Turkey 39 12/31/2016

    Sousse Beach, Tunisia 38 6/26/2015

    Port Aurthur, Australia 35 4/28/1996

    Marikana S Africa 34 8/16/2012

    VA Tech 33 4/16/2007


    Bacha Khan University Charsadda Pakistan 30 1/20/16

    Cave of the Patriarchs, Hebron Israel 29 2/24/1994


    Bisho, Ciskei, S Africa 29 7/9/1992

    Sandy Hook 28 12/14/2012


    Beijing China 28 9/20/1994

    Kampala Uganda 26 6/26/1994

    Offa, Karwa Nigeria 26 12/21/2013

    Mubi Adamawa Nigeria 25 10/3/2012

    Luby’s Cafeteria 24 10/16/1991


    Splendid Hotel Ougadougou Burkina Faso 23 1/16/2016

    Taizz Yemen 22 3/25/1994

    San Ysidro Massacre 22 7/18/1984

    Tunis Tunisia 21 3/18/2015

    Aureti Uganda 21 4/15/1983

    Igbo Town Hall meeting Adamawa Nigeria 20 
1/7/2012

    Mogadishu Somalia 20 1/22/2016

    Baluchistan Pakistan 20 04/11/2015

    Dhaka Bangladesh 20 7/1/2016

    Bamako, Mali 20 8/8/2015

    Johannesburg S Africa 19 3/28/1994

    Dunblane, Scotland 18 3/13/1996


    Erfurt, Germany 18 4/26/2002


    Trincomalee Sri Lanka 17 8/4/2006

    Hungerford, UK 17 8/19/1987


    Cuers, France 17 Sep-95


    Nshii Rwanda 17 11/6/1995

    Kandahar, Afghanistan 16 3/11/2012


    Texas Tower Sniper 16 8/1/1966


    Winnenden, Germany 16 3/11/2009


    Ecole Polytechnique, Montreal 15 12/6/1989


    Columbine High 15 4/20/1999


    Edmond, OK 15 8/20/1986


    Zug, Switzerland 15 9/27/2001


    Meet Al Attar Egypt 15 8/21/2013

    Yueyang & Xima China 15 11/18/2004

    San Bernadino CA 14 12/2/2015

    Dayukou China 14 10/26/2001

    Aramoana, New Zealand 14 11/13/1990


    Binghampton, NY 14 4/3/2009

    Luxiol, France 14 Jul-89


    Kamwenge Uganda 14 12/26/1994

    Fort Hood 13 11/5/2009


    Cumbria, England 13 6/2/2010


    Buenos Aires Argentina 13 6/20/1973

    Rio de Janeiro, Brazil 13 4/7/2011

    Velika Ivanca, Serbia 13, 4/8/2013

    Allaipiddy Sri Lanka 13 5/13/2006

    Bahir Dar Ethiopia 12 5/15/2013

    Liuhe & Tonghua China 12 9/24/2006

    Aurora, CO 12 7/20/2012


    Azerbaijan State Oil Academy 12 4/30/2009


    Paris France 12 1/7/2015

    Campinas Brazil 12 12/31/2016

    Navy Yard Washington DC 12 9/16/2013

    Emsdetten Germany 11 11/6/2006

    Cologne Germany 11 6/11/1964

    Cape Town SAfrica 11 7/25/1993

    East London S Africa 11 2/9/2002

    Chassarda Pakistan 10 4/5/2015

    McClendon, AL 10 3/10/2009


    Kauhajoki, Finland 10 9/23/2008


    GMAC, FL 10 6/18/1990

    Bait-al-Aqari Yemen 10 5/30/2008


    Red Lake, MN 10 3/21/2005


    Adelaide, Australia 10 9/6/1991

    Lyon France 10, 3/19/2009


    Siakago Kenya 10 11/6/2010

    Pakele & Gogonya Uganda 10 3/9/2013

    Nanterre France 9 2/27/2002

    Port Harcourt Nigeria 9 4/4/2015

    Jerusalem, Israel 9 6/6/2008

    Maiduguri, Nigeria 9 6/8/2013

    Tatarstan Russia 9 5/4/1992

    Uhersky Brod Czechozlovakia 9 2/24/15

    Seapoint S Africa 9 1/20/2003

    Ladysmith S Africa 9 1/20/1992

    Murisuvil Sri Lanka 8 12/20/2000

    Toulouse/Mounteban, France 8 3/11/12 to 3/21/12

    Mor Hungary 8 5/9/2002

    Edmonton Canada 8 12/30/14

    Sana’a, Yemen 8 3/30/1997

    Auchi Nigeria 7 11/27/2012

    Tuusula Finland 7 11/7/2007

    Naples Italy 7 9/18/2009

    Turin Italy 7 10/15/2002

    Gomarankadawala Sri Lanka 6 4/23/2006

    Alphen aan den Rijn Netherlands 6 4/9/2011

    Liege Belgium 6 12/13/2011 (125 wounded)

    Pesalai Sri Lanka 6 6/17/2006

    Belgorod Russia 6 4/22/2013

    Moscow Russia 6 12/11/2012

    Belgrade Serbia 5 7/1/2016

    Berlin Switzerland 5 5/10/2015

    Touluse France 5 3/19/2012

    Moscow Russia 5 11/7/ 2012

    Moscow oblast 5 12/4/2013

    Gangwon Province S Korea 5 6/21/14

    Brussels Belgium 4 5/27/2014

    Tours France 4 10/29/2001

    Espoo Finland 4 12/31/2009

    Carmen de Patagones, Argentina 4 9/28/2004

    Beirut, Lebanon 4 1/25/2007

    GROSSPRIEL, Austria 4 9/18/2013

    Balashinka Russia 4 4/23/2007 (home made pistol)

    Ottawa CA 4 1/22/2016

    Bamrungsart Pondock Scool Thailand 3 Mar 18, 2007

    Nenzig Austria 3 5/22/2016

    Aarhus Denmark 3 4/5/1994

    Liege Belgium 3 12/13/2011

    Rotterdam Netherlands 3 4/11/2009

    Freising Germany 3 2/19/2002

    Geneva Switzerland 3 2/17/2013

    Daillon Switzerland 3 1/3/2013

    SeeJong City S Korea 3 2/25/15

    Gothenburg Sweden 2 3/19/2015

    Dawson College shooting, Quebec Canada 2 9/13/2006

    Café shooting Sydney Australia 2 12/15/14

    Bucharest Romania 2 3/5/2012

    Montessori Daycare Quebec Canada 1, April 15, 2013

    W. R. Myers High School in Taber, Alberta, Canada 1 April 28, 1999

    The world 2,633 dead in 130 incidents = 20.25 dead per incident

    Why is it the average number of dead in mass shootings in gun free zones in the world, is higher than in the US….hmmmmm

    Funny how this is only the tip of the iceberg for all those mass shootings in all those gun ban paradises eh!

    If we included all the mass attacks in those gun ban paradises where guns were not used…..its rather frightening how VIOLENT those gun ban paradises truly are…….

    Based on you anti gun nutters claims guns are the root cause of violence, and those countries have 1/7th the number of guns we do, then why aren’t your incidents and deaths not 1/7th of the US eh MORONS?

    A quick perusal by even the most numerically challenged shows that the US only has 5 of the top 25 shootings.

    Of course that’s not counting terrorist attacks like the one at the school in Russia in 2004.

    • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

      according to the US definition of 4 or more wounded or killed being a mass shooting, they happen all the time here in Mexico.

      • jarhead1982

        All of Mexico is essentially a gun free zone for the law abiding

        Criminals not so much

  • King Trollo

    “However, any assumption that gun ownership translates into a decreased
    vulnerability to violence is strongly challenged by statistics from
    Brazil, where according to Insight Crime, homicide rates were about 50%
    higher per capita last year than in Mexico”

    brazils stats are a lot more accurate than mexicos would be a better way of putting it. mexico is typically seen as the more violent country since the drug war began at the start of 2008, this is supported by almost all unbiased sources. it doesnt matter what stats say

    • jarhead1982

      So you admit Mexico undercounts its data, typikal

  • King Trollo

    chicago doesnt have strict gun cvontrol

    • jarhead1982

      Yeah, they do

  • King Trollo

    its always interesting looking at gun laws. these are the ones for countries with the 50 highest ‘official’ murder rate cities

    ranked by highest-placed city:

    1. venezuela = medium
    2. mexico = strict
    3. honduras = loose
    4. el salvador = loose
    5. brazil = strict
    6. south africa = medium
    7. united states = loose
    8. columbia = medium
    9. guatemala = loose
    10. jamaica = strict

    • jarhead1982

      Unsubstantiated opinions as always, lets have some fun with this….

      http : //www . gunpolicy . org/firearms/region/venezuela

      In Venezuela, the right to private gun ownership is not guaranteed by law54 55

      Compare

      Restricted Firearms and Ammunition

      In Venezuela, civilians are not allowed to possess weapons of war, which are not specifically defined in law. Private possession of assault rifles and machine guns seems to be at the discretion of authorities56 57 58

      CompareRegulation of Automatic Weapons

      In Venezuela, private possession of fully automatic weapons is not specifically prohibited in law and could be open to official discretion57

      CompareRegulation of Semiautomatic Assault Weapons

      In Venezuela, private possession of semi-automatic assault weapons is not specifically prohibited in law and could be open to official discretion57

      CompareRegulation of Handguns

      In Venezuela, private possession of handguns (pistols and revolvers) is permitted under licence57

      Compare

      Gun Ownership and Possession

      In Venezuela, only licensed gun owners59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 34 may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition

      CompareGenuine Reason Required for Firearm Possession

      Applicants for a gun owner’s licence in Venezuela are required to establish a genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example self-defence,64 65 77 hunting68 69 and sport70 71 78

      CompareMinimum Age for Firearm Possession

      The minimum age for gun ownership in Venezuela is 25 years61 63

      CompareGun Owner Background Checks

      An applicant for a firearm licence in Venezuela must pass a background check which considers physical, mental health and criminal61 63 79 78 records

      CompareReference Required for Firearm Licence

      In Venezuela, third party character references for each gun licence applicant are required67

      ComparePartner to be Advised or Interviewed

      In Venezuela, licensing authorities are not required49 to conduct interviews with, or to advise an applicant’s spouse, partner, or next of kin before issuing a gun licence

      CompareDomestic Violence and Firearms

      Where a past history, or apprehended likelihood of family violence exists, the law in Venezuela does not stipulate49 that a gun licence should be denied or revoked

      CompareFirearm Safety Training

      In Venezuela, an understanding of firearm safety and the law, tested in a theoretical and/or practical training course is required80 61 for a firearm licence

      CompareGun Owner Licensing Period

      In Venezuela, gun owners must re-apply and re-qualify for their firearm licence every year for a licence to carry firearms for the protection of persons,72 every two years for a licence to carry firearms for hunting,68 69 sporting purposes,70 71 and for personal defence,64 and every three years for a licence for in-house ownership of firearms66

      CompareLicensing Records

      In Venezuela, authorities maintain a record81 82 of individual civilians licensed to acquire, possess, sell or transfer a firearm or ammunition

      CompareLimit on Number of Guns

      Licensed firearm owners in Venezuela are permitted to possess one firearm (with a licence to carry firearms for the protection of persons)72

      CompareLimit on Quantity, Type of Ammunition

      Licensed firearm owners in Venezuela are permitted to possess ammunition only for those firearms for which the purchaser is licensed83 84

      • jarhead1982

        Now lets compare Jamaica and see how drastic a difference between Venezuela eh….not much difference, and sunshine claims there is a huge difference eh….NOT…and a side note, gun policy is a website controlled by GASP george soros minions who instituted the Australian gun ban heist in the 1990’s…

        http : //www . gunpolicy . org/firearms/region/jamaica

        In Jamaica, only licensed gun owners71 70 72 24 may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition

        CompareGenuine Reason Required for Firearm Possession

        Applicants for a gun owner’s licence in Jamaica are required to establish a genuine reason to possess a firearm72 73

        CompareMinimum Age for Firearm Possession

        The minimum age for gun ownership in Jamaica is 17 years70

        CompareGun Owner Background Checks

        An applicant for a firearm licence in Jamaica must pass a background check which considers criminal and mental health72 69 74 24 records

        CompareReference Required for Firearm Licence

        In Jamaica, third party character references for each gun licence applicant are required75

        ComparePartner to be Advised or Interviewed

        In Jamaica, licensing authorities are not required68 to conduct interviews with, or to advise an applicant’s spouse, partner, or next of kin before issuing a gun licence

        CompareDomestic Violence and Firearms

        Where a past history, or apprehended likelihood of family violence exists, the law in Jamaica does not stipulate68 that a gun licence should be denied or revoked

        CompareFirearm Safety Training

        In Jamaica, an understanding of firearm safety and the law, tested in a theoretical and/or practical training course is required72 for a firearm licence

        CompareGun Owner Licensing Period

        In Jamaica, gun owners must re-apply and re-qualify for their firearm licence every four or five years76

        CompareLicensing Records

        In Jamaica, authorities maintain a record63 77 of individual civilians licensed to acquire, possess, sell or transfer a firearm or ammunition

        CompareLimit on Number of Guns

        Licensed firearm owners in Jamaica are permitted to possess any number of firearms68 78

        CompareLimit on Quantity, Type of Ammunition

        Licensed firearm owners in Jamaica are permitted to possess only 50 rounds of ammunition per year56

  • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

    one persons opinion does not make fact.

  • Dallas Autery Y Rocio Heredia

    Does Pedro Infante ring a bell? he was a huge cultural hero as an actor and singer that was born here in Mazatlan, Sinaloa. Pretty sure that counts as culture. Merida is famous as the place that Pedro Infante died.

  • jarhead1982

    Isnt it just horrible how 73.95% OF ALL VIOLENT CRIMES COMMITTED ARE NOT REPORTED, and here is the GOVT data citations from multiple countries which = proof, to the poor child who claims this is SPAM….

    But the way ignorant fool, where is your government vetted study proving this isnt true in Mexico as well eh….

    Oh thats right, the anti gun fascists in Mexico have no ptoper proof of any of their claims…..liars never do

    USDOJ National Victimization Report for 10 years.

    Canada & England show the same results.

    http://bjs . gov/content/pub/pdf/cv01 . pdf
    
http://bjs . gov/content/pub/pdf/cv02 . pdf
    

http://www . bjs . gov/content/pub/pdf/cv03 . pdf


    http://www . bjs . gov/content/pub/pdf/cv04 . pdf

    http://www . bjs . gov/content/pub/pdf/cv05 . pdf


    http://www . bjs . gov/content/pub/pdf/cv06 . pdf


    http://www . bjs . gov/content/pub/pdf/cv07 . pdf
    http://www . bjs . gov/content/pub/pdf/cv08 . pdf


    http://www . bjs . gov/content/pub/pdf/cv09 . pdf


    http://www . bjs . gov/content/pub/pdf/cv10 . pdf


    http://www . bjs . gov/content/pub/pdf/cv11 . pdf


    http://www . bjs . gov/content/pub/pdf/cv12 . pdf




    UK

    http://www . homeoffice . gov . uk/publications/science-research-statistics/research-statistics/crime-research/bcs1011tech1?view=Binary

 



    Canada

    http://www . http : // www . statcan . gc . ca / pub / 85-002-x/2013001/article/11882-eng.htm?fpv=2693#a4

    Australia

    http : //aic . gov . au/publications/current%20series/facts/1-20/2012/3_victimisation . html

    http : //aic . gov . au/media_library/publications/facts/2012/facts12 . pdf

    VCR=Violent Crimes Reported (FBI UCR)

    VNR = Violent Crimes Not Reported USDOJ

    Year / VCR / VNR / % of violent crimes not reported

    2001 /1,439,480 /5,743,820 /74.94%
    2002 /1,423,677 /7,424,550 /80.82%
    2003 /1,383,676 /5,401,720 /74.38%
    2004 /1,390,745 /5,182,670 /73.17%
    2005 /1,390,745 /5,162,400 /73.06%
    2006 /1,418,043 /3,672,940 /61.39%
    2007 /1,408,337 /5,177,130 /72.80%
    2008 /1,394,461 /4,856,510 /71.29%
    2009 /1,325,896 /4,343,450 /69.47%
    2010 /1,251,248 /4,935,980 /74.65%
    2011 /1,203,564 /5,805,430 /79.27%

    Totals 15,029,872 /57,706,600 /73.95% avg. per year

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