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MX labor bill could derail NAFTA talks

Union federation warns legislation could cause more job losses in US

New legislation proposed by two senators could cause jobs to shift from the United States to Mexico and affect NAFTA renegotiation talks, the largest union federation in the U.S. has warned.


The AFL-CIO said that a labor bill backed by Tereso Medina and Isaías González of the ruling Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) would undermine the negotiating position of labor unions and cause already low wages in Mexico to drop even lower.

The draft legislation, first presented to the Senate on December 7, proposes the elimination of restrictions on subcontracting, effectively meaning that Mexican companies could indirectly hire all their staff from outsourcing firms.

The bill states that it would encourage job creation, protect workers’ rights and penalize companies for misleading subcontractors.

But in a December 12 letter to the U.S. Trade Representative and chief NAFTA negotiator Robert Lighthizer, the AFL-CIO president expressed his concern about the proposed legislation.

The bill “would limit freedom of association and promote precarious work, likely driving Mexican wages even lower and encouraging further outsourcing of American and Canadian jobs,” Richard Trumka wrote, adding that it would ultimately prevent unions in Mexico from fighting for better wages.

According to a report by Bloomberg, the trade union group’s criticism of the proposed legislation could find a supporter in U.S. President Donald Trump, who has argued that better conditions for Mexican workers is one requirement to reaching a new trilateral trade agreement.


Trump has also fought ardently to keep U.S. companies and jobs on home soil and in a twitter tirade this week labeled Mexico’s trade surplus with the U.S. as “ridiculous.”

In  a visit to Mexico in October, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau also highlighted the need to improve salaries and working conditions in Mexico as part of the modernization of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).

Mexican assembly line workers only earn about one-tenth of workers doing the same job north of the border and wage growth in Mexico hasn’t come close to that in China, a competitor in the U.S. market.

Salaries in the latter increased by 157% from 2006 to 2016 compared to just 20% in Mexican plants that make transportation equipment, according to figures from the Boston Consulting Group.

The second-to-last round of NAFTA renegotiation talks will start in Montreal, Canada, tomorrow, two days earlier than originally planned and will last for nine days.

Trump has repeatedly threatened that if the 24-year-old agreement is not reworked in a way that is more favorable to the U.S., his administration will move to terminate it. The proposed labor legislation, that is scheduled for debate after Mexico’s Congress resumes sitting on February 1, could give him one more reason to act.

An anonymous source familiar with the talks told Bloomberg that the U.S. withdrawal threat is serious. Canadian government sources also said earlier this month that they were convinced that Trump would soon announce that the United States intends to pull out of NAFTA and Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland said that “Canada is prepared for every eventuality.”

The director of international affairs for the United Steelworks union told Bloomberg that the proposed Mexican legislation and the ALF-CIO’s position on it would certainly influence this week’s talks even though unions are not directly involved in the renegotiation process.

“This will come up in Montreal in a big way,” Ben Davis said.

Source: El Financiero (sp), Bloomberg (en)

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  • From South of the Border

    Once again 2 slimy PRI hack politicians want to lower Mexican workers wages by going through outsourcing companies instead of companies hiring employees directly. Then people want to know why NAFTA might end. Trudeau and Trump care more about Mexican workers wages and working conditions than their own government and the so called Mexican sindicatos aka unions do!! The Mexican government will blame mainly Trump, if NAFTA fails maybe also Trudeau, but in reality it is the corrupt MEXICAN GOVERNMENT that will kill NAFTA, because they want to keep wages low and benefits almost none existent to please multinationals. Mexican unions are a big joke, they are controlled either by the companies or the government or both. There is no such thing as a real union in Mexico they are all a front for the corrupt politicians and the companies to keep Mexicans down and uniformed about what is really happening in the world around them!!
    Please a real union wouldn’t allow a minimum wage of under $5.00 a day or wages in Mexican factories of 200 pesos a day or about $11.00 a day this is insanity. The wages should be per hour and should be at a level that would allow Mexican workers to live a decent life for themselves and their families How about as little as $4.00 an hour or during an 8 hour day $32.00 dollars or 597.00 pesos a day or just round, it up to 600.00 pesos a day or 3,000.00 pesos a week or 12,000 pesos a month as the minimum wage in Mexico which would only be $642.00 dollars a month. Not exactly a kings ransom, but better than 200 pesos a day or 1,000 pesos a week or 4,000 pesos a month or 214.00 dollars a month. Does anyone really think companies can’t afford 600.00 pesos a day . REALLY!!
    I don’t want to hear people telling me that Mexicans will decide these issues, sure like the government that keeps the Mexican people in poverty and uneducated in order to make controlling the population of Mexico easier. I would tell everyone who reads this that I know people who make 200 pesos a day and I know University educated engineers who have worked for major companies such as Mabe and Thyssen Krupp for 10 plus years and they earn one earns 35,000 pesos a month or 1,874.00 dollars a month and the other earns 30,000 pesos a month or 1,605.00 a month. Are you kidding me? These University educated engineers can’t even earn 2,000 dollars a month after 10 plus years working for a major company. As ridiculous as the per day of 200 pesos is the engineering pay is even more ridiculous! People deserve a livable wage either as regular workers or white collar workers. I’m sorry this is sickening and should be criminal!
    When NAFTA dies the Mexican people should look in the national mirror and see that it was the Mexican government that killed NAFTA and that keeps the Mexican people poor!!

    • Dave Warren

      Generally speaking the rich are so wealthy and entitled here . They whine incessantly about paying next to nothing for a hard day of labor. They can afford it but won’t do it. A decent daily wage would improve everything here. It would take the desperation away that leads to crime. The political class gets kickbacks to keep wages low. Everything runs on graft.

      • From South of the Border

        Dave right on! Some people like to be delusional and want to blame Trump and or maybe Trudeau, but the wages in Mexico are on the Mexican government and on the so called sindicatos aka so called unions down here! Your analysis is correct on all counts..Great Job!!

    • GOPerson

      But. . . but. . . . the Mexican government just raised the minimum wage from 80 to 88 pesos. Of course CFE has raised their rates close to 40% and propane increased earlier. The average Mexican family can’t afford hot water.

      • From South of the Border

        GOPerson. You are correct as I said earlier Trump and Trudeau are not the villians here they are the heroes or should be the heroes in trying to raise the minimum wage of the average Mexican’s wage from 200 to 600 pesos the 88 pesos a day is a joke and would be a scandal any where else except here in Mexico!

      • Eugene Nero

        Propane gas goes up the first of every month because the monopoly can’t be controlled because it is the gov.

    • colima47

      But it is not only the government, individuals pay abysmal wages for extremely difficult work. Labor and laborers are looked down upon. A $5.00 an hour wage would make life much easier for many families and enrich many more as these wages will mean that these families can buy more.

      • From South of the Border

        I agree and these people who pay these bad wages should be punished in some way, but not here. That is why I thank G-D every day that I was born and lived most of my life in the U.S. Trudeau and Trump might not agree on a lot of things, but helping the average Mexican get a decent wage they do! They should both be acclaimed for it!!

    • BobMex

      Trump doesn’t care about Mexican low wages, he makes his goods there.

    • Mike S

      A lot of exaggeration here. Mexican vehicle assembly line workers make between 360 and 640 pesos a day- $18 dollars and $32 dollars a day respectively- depending on skill and years working. That needs to rise and I’m not defending that low wage, but the cost of living for lower middle class Mexicans including health care is 3 times less than in the US. So that would be the equivalent in the US of $54 to $128 dollars a day. Not nearly as good as US union car workers but not as bad as you are stating and much more than in China. Overall union membership in the US has been on a steady decline ever since Reagan. GOP has been behind that decline from 24% of workforce in 1980 to 11% today and private unions even less. Almost all non-union “right-to-work” states in the US are GOP controlled and those workers make 30% less on average than in blue states and have far fewer benefits. Trump has hired low wage foreign workers every time he could get away with it for construction and staffing his hotels and restaurants. Trump wants full employment for American workers but he doesn’t give a crap about wages and benefits. I would like to see Canada and the US push for stronger unions and higher wages and benefits in Mexico, but I don’t trust Trump one bit. Trump wants an oligarchy/Kleptocracy like Russia for the US plutocrats and eventually his mesmerized followers should wake up to that.

      • Güerito

        The bottom line is Mexican manufacturing wages are less than one-tenth of those found in the US, while the cost of living in Mexico is about one-third of the US.

        Regarding China, manufacturing wages are higher in China than in Mexico. That’s why we’ve seen poverty level factory jobs booming in Mexico in the last ten years or so.

        • Mike S

          Average Chinese wage according to ILO is $4700 a year. Average Mexican wage is about the same. Of course these are very general comparisons and don’t take into account the “cash” nature of the Mexican economy or remittances from Mexicans working in the US. Average assembly line car worker in Mexico makes more than his counterpart in China. And, you can not trust the propaganda of the authoritarian Chinese communist government. They lie regularly about economic conditions in their grossly polluted country of 1.4 billion. The leaders cook the books all the time to make themselves look good.

          The average Mexican assembly line car worker starts at about $2,30 hr. and that rises to about $4 over the tears. The average US worker doing the same work starts at $16 per hour and that can go up to $25 after many years. So your “one tenth” figure is a bit off, but make no mistake about it, Mexico needs stronger unions and better wages. I hope that would be part of NAFTA reform. Trump’s motives for destroying NAFTA are not about raising Mexican wages- that is a red herring. It mostly about convincing his base that NAFTA is a bad trade deal stealing their jobs. He totally forgets that the $570 billion trade between the 2 countries supports million of good-paying US jobs. If you believe Trump is pro-union guy who wants higher wages…I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

          • Güerito

            From a report from the Finanacial Times about a year ago:

            Headline: Chinese wages now higher than in Brazil, Argentina and Mexico

            “Average wages in China’s manufacturing sector have soared above those in countries such as Brazil and Mexico and are fast catching up with Greece and Portugal after a decade of breakneck growth that has seen Chinese pay packets treble.

            Across China’s labour force as a whole, hourly incomes now exceed those in every major Latin American state apart from Chile, and are at around 70 per cent of the level in weaker eurozone countries, according to data from Euromonitor International, a research group. The figures indicate the progress China has made in improving the living standards of its 1.4bn people, with some analysts arguing that increases in productivity could push manufacturing wages even further beyond what are traditionally seen as middle-income countries.

            The data also highlight the problems facing Latin America, where wages have stagnated and sometimes fallen in real terms, where average hourly wages have more than halved since 2009, according to Euromonitor.

            “It’s remarkable how well China has done compared to everybody else,” said Charles Robertson, global chief economist at Renaissance Capital, an investment bank focused on emerging markets. “It’s converging with the west when so many other emerging markets haven’t.”

            Average hourly wages in China’s manufacturing sector ***trebled*** between 2005 and 2016 to $3.60, according to Euromonitor, while during the same period manufacturing wages ***fell*** from $2.90 an hour to $2.70 in Brazil, ***from $2.20 to $2.10 in Mexico***, and from $4.30 to $3.60 in South Africa.

            Manufacturing workers in China are among the better paid in a country where wage distribution is becoming increasingly unequal. But income levels are rising across the economy as a whole, with the Chinese average wage for all sectors increasing from $1.50 in 2005 to $3.30 last year. That level is higher than average wages for Brazil, Mexico, Colombia, Thailand and the Philippines.”

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            cited in this link without pay wall:

            And you can substitute “Mexico” where you have “China” here and it perfectly describes Mexico’s corrupt leaders:

            “And, you can not trust the propaganda of the authoritarian Mexican government. They lie regularly about economic conditions in their grossly polluted country of 110 million. The leaders cook the books all the time to make themselves look good.”

            I’ve cited several instances in comments here, where the current PRI government is cooking the poverty figures to make it look good going into the elections this year…

          • Mike S

            Almost all economic data from China comes out of the very opaque Chinese communist government and is highly propagandized. We have a very good pulse on what’s happening in Mexico from many independent sources. The Mexican economy is very much a cash economy. I really don’t understand why we are arguing about who pays slightly higher wages between two poor countries. US corporations are heavily investing in China with Trump’s approval. They are demanding full access to all our technology as a price of entrance and are back engineering everything. They are a military rival and not a democracy. They are gross polluters. They outsource a lot to VERY low wage neighbors in Asia and that keeps a lot of their exports very cheap.We have a tremendous trade deficit with them. Many of our manufacturers are going to need lower Mexican wages to compete with them. Mexico buys US products- they don’t. They regularly dump products at below cost on US markets to wipe out industries. Trump owes the Chinese National Bank lots of money and Ivanka runs sweat shops there. Jared’s family hustles green cards to wealthy Chines investors for his family’s real estate business. Why are you so enamored with China over Mexico…our friends.

          • Güerito

            I’m not arguing.

            I just pointed out that you were incorrect in your statements about manufacturing wages in Mexico v. China. And the difference between US $3.60 an hour in China and rising, and US $2.10 an hour in Mexico and falling is quite dramatic.

            I’ve lived full-time in Mexico for fifteen years and I’m fluent in Spanish. You don’t need to inform me that Mexico is a cash based society. China is too. Most of the developing world is. China also receives a lot of remittances from abroad. Again, most of the developing world does.

          • Mike S

            My world view of China’s economy comes from: dozens of news reports over last 10 years about working condition there; how their authoritarian communist government propaganda operates; having visited there for 2 weeks twelve years ago; and several close friends who travel there regularly on business. I’m no China expert, but there is no doubt the media is heavily censored. If you are Chinese and criticize the official government line about labor conditions, pollution, the economy, wages, human rights abuses, etc- somebody will come knocking at your door. Publications like the Financial Times just regurgitates the data the communist government puts out. I’ll make an educated guess that 400 million Chinese are doing pretty ok, and a billion are as low down the economic ladder as the lower 25% of Mexicans. The AVERAGE Mexican auto worker who has been on the job a few years makes about $3 an hour. I have no idea what the average Chinese auto worker makes because I can’t believe what the government claims or even what an “average” auto worker means in China. I do know that overall life expectancy in Mexico is higher than China and would be much higher if you removed auto accidents and the cartel wars. Unions are weak in Mexico, but they are a total government sham in China. China is not our friend Mx is.

          • From South of the Border

            Mike S. I will be offensive!! I teach in those factories and the average wage is 350 pesos a day. The beginning wages start at 185 to 250 pesos depending what job your doing.. Go and have fun with your PRI friends and let people who really know what their talking about discuss things your so called knowledge of this subject could be placed in a thimble..

          • Mike S

            Average assembly line worker in Mx car plants makes $3 hr usd or about 450 pesos a day…some more some less. I stand by those numbers from much googling research. Of course pay differs for different companies. The assembly line car worker is a shrinking job title. As more and more automation is introduced to car assembly, there are more and more engineers on the floor adjusting robots and software. Those “engineers” are not always formally educated at universities but often claim that title from training over time. According to Ford’s website, those “engineers” make about $1100 a month. or about 1100 pesos A day. Interestingly, Tesla Motors in California has been importing lots of Mexican mechanical engineers ob special work visas. Your thimble has a leak.

          • From South of the Border

            First of all we are not just talking about automotive plants were also, talking plants like Mabe where they build stoves and other appliances. Mabe in Queretaro starting assembly line worker first week 230 pesos a day.. Thyssen Krupp 260 pesos a day. Musashi a Japanese company makes brakes and drive trains 215 pesos a day. MikeS. would you like some more evidence. Mabe in San Luis Potosi 210 pesos a day. This is why you can’t take one industry you must look at multiple industries. BMW’s new plant in San Luis Potosi line worker 310 pesos a day, you need a more diverse look at line workers than just one industry or one or two companies. I’ve just listed 4 companies in 3 different industries and one company with plants in two locations. This is a better overall look at industrial pay than your one industry and one specific company. If you need more information I can get you more. Like TI Automotive they make wheels for both BMW and GE. Plant in San Luis 235 pesos a day. Puebla plant 245 pesos a day. As I said my information is much more comprehensive than yours, because I unlike you, I’ve actually been inside these plants.. No your Thimble is only looking at one industry and I’m not sure even that information is accurate, don’t worry, if it isn’t accurate I’ll tell everyone, if your telling the truth or not.. I have low expectations when it comes to left wing people such as Mike S. Their ideology and rose colored glasses are how they see the world..

          • Mike S

            Out of curiosity, what were you doing traveling all over Mexico visiting various factories taking wage surveys? I will not defend the low wages of Mexico although I think the lower 50% in Mx is way better off than the lower 50% in China. I am a proud Bernie Sanders progressive who believes much of the economic injustice in both the US and Mexico that is exemplified by the obscene wealth disparity in both countries needs correcting; otherwise we are headed for a full blown plutocracy/kleptocracy like Russia and a devastated middle class. From your outrage about the low wages and powerless unions of Mexico- it sounds like you agree with my politics. Mexico, a very poor country, produces a Calos Slim worth $70 billion. That wouldn’t happen in Norway. I don’t see NAFTA as the problem that cause obscene wealth distribution and a poor underclass. Other factors create that. And Trump is a total conman who has authoritarian tendencies and has hoodwinked his white poor and middle class supporters with his pathological lying and bigoted dog whistle. Trump is no champion of the poor or middle class or upper middle class- he manipulates them for the billionaire class. Wake up my friend.

          • From South of the Border

            Mike S. To feed your curiosity a bit. I’m a freelance English teacher who has lived in several Mexican cities over the last 6 years and I have worked for several companies as an English consultant. As I have worked in a number of cities and have had contracts with a number of companies I have kept a survey for my own curiosity of the wages in each factory location. As for my sympathies for the Mexican people and their salaries they need to be forced higher which is what Trudeau and Trump are trying to do in the NAFTA talks! As far as Bernie Sanders is concerned his programs would bankrupt the U.S. government which is already in deep debt thanks to both George W. Bush and Obama to spendthrift presidents one on endless wars the other on endless welfare and illegals.
            I’m for helping the Mexican worker, because it is the right thing to do, but Bernie and his policies would bankrupt the U.S. no matter how much higher you raised everyone’s taxes just look at Europe in some countries there taxes are as high as 78.9% France and 81% Italy and the rich just move their money overseas and the money, goes beyond the governments reach. At least with Trumps new tax plan companies like Apple will bring billions back and will reinvest in the U.S. and the government will get a fair tax amount from them. Such as one time 10% tax for the 350 billion Apple has said its bringing back to the U.S. 35 billion in taxes to Uncle Sam after that all future taxes at 21% from companies. I know Mike S. math is probably not a progressives best subject! Before the new tax bill U.S. corporate tax rate 38.9%, but companies kept their profits overseas so they paid little or no taxes at least with the new tax plan taxes will be paid and Apple is only the tip of the iceberg. The estimates are from 4 to 6 trillion dollars parked overseas at 10% tax minimum 400 billion dollars in corporate taxes to be paid maximum 600 billion dollars money that under the old tax system the U.S. couldn’t get the money now they can. Once this one time deal is over all further yearly profits will be taxed at 21% instead of at 38.9% which means companies will be taxed at a reasonable rate and the U.S. government will get its hands on taxes it couldn’t collect before!! Tax policy must be practical, because companies can move to other countries even American companies can disappear and we have no taxes.
            You see Mike S. unlike you I can want to help the average Mexican worker to get higher wages and still understand that socialism isn’t the solution, because it doesn’t work. You can raise wages in Mexico and still be conservative at home, because the two countries are so different. I’m sure this will fall on deaf ears since people like you worship Bernie don’t understand practicality, but instead just want to steal from other people using the power of the government to do it. Sorry Mike S, I’m not a Bernie Bro. I’m a practical person who can want to help the Mexican worker like Trump and Trudeau, while being practical at home! Unlike you I don’t see the world through your rose colored ideology of envy!!

          • Mike S

            Bernie wants 4 things: universal health care (single payer like every other first-world country); a progressive tax system similar to what we had before Reagan to end our march towards a full blown plutocracy; major spending on infrastructure that would include incentives for a move away from fossil fuels to green/clean/renewables and the millions of new jobs that would create; free college tuition at public colleges to keep our work force competitive and give us an educated electorate. So why aren’t countries that have Bernie Sander’s policies bankrupt? Countries like Germany, France, Austria, Spain, UK, Switzerland, Australia, NZ, Sweden, Japan, Norway, Denmark, and many more? Countries with sold middle classes that don’t promote gargantuan corrupt defense budgets and don’t have 20% child poverty rates and obscene wealth disparity??? The defacto corporate tax rate before Trump’s tax bill was 22% because of all the loop holes. Obama offered to reduce it to 25% in return for getting rid of the loop holes and the Koch brother’s obstructionist congress told him NO. Trump’s new tax bill gets rid of few loop holes and even adds more and the “pass through” provision help him personally. The new defacto rate is likely 12%. It is a $1.4 trillion giveaway to the mega-wealthy during good economic times all put on a credit card that will come back to bite the middle class and poor. The final coat tails of the Obama economy ended Jan 2018; we are now officially in the Trump era. Of course gutting the EPA and drastically reducing taxes for the wealthy will jack up the stock market but is that wise long-term? These tax saving are not going to be passed on to the ordinary wage earner. When deficits start rising, Trump WILL go after SS & Medicare/Medicaid. He has already undermined Obamacare and expect big rises next few years in insurance premiums. Trump does not give a crap about US or Mexican wages…it’s all grandstanding just like all his coal mining jobs that never happened. I expect Dems to take back congress and throw Trump out by 2020 if not sooner. Trickle down economic is a proven failure.

            As Mark Twain said:

            “It is easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled”.

          • From South of the Border

            Mike S., Believe me I know enough about economics to know that what you have written means that you were the person fooled not me! I lived through the Reagan years proud Reagan voter! During that period of time I had more money in my pocket after taxes than I have had since. You see I don’t look at what other people have and I’m not envious of other people like you and the Bernie Bro’s!! I learned that everything costs money and stealing from one person isn’t the right way of living one’s life. Socialized medicine, free University tuition etc. who is going to pay for it!!
            Those European countries look at their national debt except Norway since they have oil. They all average about 4 to 10 trillion Euros in debt not bankrupt, but they might as well be!!Grow up stop looking at the world as you wish it to be, but as it really is!! I don’t think you will to much of a Bernie Bro in fantasy land!!

          • Mike S

            Oh yes Bedtime for Bonzo Reagan- your god. The man who claimed Medicare was a communist plot that would destroy the country. He rolled into office with his huge tax cuts for the wealthy that his VP labeled voodoo trickle down economics. When the deficits started mounting from his blank check for the military, he had to raise taxes nine times including a fuel tax. Nine times! When his VP took over in 1988, he had to implement one of the biggest tax hikes ever to stop the red ink. The guy who bailed out all the crooks in the S&L industry. Those were great days for the plutocrats and the middle class is still paying for that today. Of course by his 6th year in office, he had full blown dementia. .Reagan the genius who gave amnesty on a silver platter to 2.4 million illegal aliens to appease his wealthy Big Ag donors. The man who hated unions and carried water for General Electric for so many years. I will give him credit for meeting Gorbachev half way and not taking the bait for a war in Lebanon. If Reagan was a “6”, Trump is a “1”.

          • From South of the Border

            You know I was right the envy drips from every word you type. By the way, Reagan made more money with Bedtime for Bonzo then you probably made in your whole life what a bitter, person you are!! I would take Reagan any day over your G-d Bernie Bro. Bernie hasn’t created one job in his life neither has he actually worked a day in his life. Politics isn’t work its avoiding work! By the way he didn’t come down with Alzheimer’s until 1992 over 4 years after he left the White House at least get your facts straight even, if you hate someone. You might not have liked Reagan, but he is the reason the Soviets don’t exist anymore.

          • Mike S

            I worked for 50 years and I employed lots of people and met a payroll every 2 weeks for 40 years. I got a college education and put 2 kids through college and have a comfortable retirement. I’m not jealous of what others have. I am disgusted with the decadent inheritance class like Trump who think they actually earned their money and never have the humility to walk in the less fortunate’s shoes. When one tenth of one percent control 50% of a nations wealth and 70% of its political power while so many struggle, something needs to change. Jimmy Cater was a good man and a good president who unfortunately was in office when the bill for the Vietnam fiasco finally arrived and the Saudis pulled an oil embargo and the Iranians had had enough of our puppet and his police state. Carter put solar panels on the White House and Reagan threw them in the garbage. He got us through that crisis and it was painful for 2 years but he was not a dirty politician like Reagan and Lee Atwater who played the race card against him in 1980. He has lived an exemplary life sine his presidency and I’m sure if he had been re-elected the country would have enjoyed prosperity. Reagan’s dementia was hidden from the public. According to his son Ron Jr, he was displaying dementia the last 2 years of his presidency. Reagan was tolerable and had a compassionate side and Nancy did a good job taking over when he could no longer function during Iran-Contra. Like I said, I’ll give him a 6. I give Obama an 8 considered what he inherited from Bush. I give the narcissistic pathological liar a 1.



          • Mike S

            Reagan had little to do with the demise of the Soviet Union. His Star Wars concepts were a fantasy. The Soviets collapsed from within because they had an unworkable inefficient top-down economic system and the Saudis plunged the price oil. Our own CIA was totally caught by surprise when it happened.

          • Güerito

            Again, everything negative you say about the government in China (labor conditions, human rights abuses, phony economic numbers, knocks on the door, etc.) applies equally or with more force to the government in Mexico.

            In Mexico community activists, environmental activists, labor activists, anti-corruption activists, and journalists not on the government payroll are routinely harassed, beaten and, in many cases, killed.

            All major manufacturing unions in Mexico are part of the PRI government machine. I’ve posted many comments here about bogus Mexican “unions,” never voted on by any workers, negotiating with employers to keep wages artificially low in Mexico.

      • Maribeth

        I believe the exaggeration is in your post. First of all, I’d like to know how you know what’s on Trump’s mind. Secondly the cost of living difference that you refer to is misleading. You might be right overall but Items such as meat, gasoline, and many other crucial items are on par with US prices. Hard to purchase on Mexican wages. Where we live (Oaxaca) it’s difficult to find a person that has built a house without having worked in the US. The picture you paint is not the Mexico I live in. Desperation is rampant.Many children are unable to attend high school if for no other reason than not being able to afford transportation costs.By the way I know no of no one that makes fifty four dollars a day. Not saying that some don’t but we have quite a few friends and no one comes close. A Walmart worker told me that he makes thirteen pesos an hour and he’s happy to get it. I didn’t vote for president Trump and I don’t read American news specifically so I don’t have to listen to hate filled rhetoric such as yours. Lastly it sounds like you’ve never been to Mexico. Sorry for being a little offensive.

        • Mike S

          I have been traveling to Mexico for over fifty years and speak passable Spanish. I’ve had a couple of long-term novias who are still good friends today. I usually stay for extended times and have lived there and owned a home there in the past. Are you aware that Oaxaca is one of the poorest states in Mexico? A beautiful state and beautiful people but VERY poor. It is the Mississippi of Mexico. Foreign manufacturers for the most part don’t invest in Oaxaca. The Federal government does invest much there either. Puerto Escondidto could be a world-class tourist destination but it’s hard to get to and lots of locals don’t want an onslaught of tourists over running their beautiful coast. This debate is about NAFTA, Trump policies, foreign manufacturing investment in Mexico, and the wages paid. Your anecdotal observation about about a Mexican acquaintance in dirt poor Oaxaca don’t add much information to the conversation. Most of us are well aware of the poverty and low wages in large parts of Mexico. But believe me, it’s not all like that and NAFTA has overall been good for both countries. Some refotms yes….destroy it and build a wall…really stupid.

    • Eugene Nero

      This is an excellent synopsis of the real facts on the ground here in Mexico. This writer’s math adds up very well. Thanks!

      • From South of the Border

        Thanks, Eugene I’ve been teaching in these factories for 6 years in San Luis, Queretaro and Mexico City, so I know what I’m talking about unlike Mike s. below who is a left wing kiss ass for the PRI. He is always making fun of other people and his numbers don’t add up at all.. If he ever did live in Mexico it must of been just long enough to have a cup of coffee. I’ve been in these factories for 6 years and know many workers personally.

    • Güerito

      I personally know an attractive, responsible, dedicated 31 year old Mexican woman perfectly fluent in English with a college degree (licenciada), who looked for work for more than a year in Mexico City.

      She previously worked successfully for a hotel chain and also spent three years with an American visa working for one of the major cruise ship lines.

      She wound up working as a translator for a Mexican company making 10,000 pesos a month – about US $500 dollars a month or about US $2.70 an hour.

      • From South of the Border

        Guerito, That is what I’ve been talking about. Educated people with University degrees making $500 dollars a month it is ridiculous, so are the people on this blog kissing the behinds of the Mexican government making excuses for the low wages. Mike S. comes to mind. I don’t think he would have liked being 31 or 32 making 12,000 a month a bad joke, but he still ass kisses the Mexican establishment and make excuses for this!!

  • Article 123 of the Mexican Constitution guarantees that “The general minimum wages must be sufficient to satisfy the normal material, social, and cultural needs of the head of a family and to provide for the compulsory education of his children.” If members of the PRI government are working to satisfy the petulant demands of the US’s first Twitter President, then those people are acting contrary to the interests of the legal framework which grants the Mexican government legitimacy. If Trump demands labor concessions that would cause to lower the minimum wage even further, then it is incumbent for the Mexican representatives to the NAFTA negotiations to stand firm for the workers of Mexico. A “free trade” agreement isn’t about given one country an advantage. Trump only wants what is best for him and his interests. Perhaps it is time for Mexico to recommend that NAFTA agreement is temporarily paused until stable leadership has been restored to the United States.

    • David Nichols

      Trump and Trudeau are both pushing for HIGHER wages for Mexican workers…has your TDS blinded you to the fact that both Canada and the USA want NAFTA to include more equitable treatment for Mexican workers…?

    • From South of the Border

      Keith, Are you on something? Are you spaced out? Your quote from the Mexican constitution, if you think that the average wage you’ll find in the factories in different factories 200 pesos 250 pesos a day is ” sufficient to satisfy the normal material, social and cultural needs of a family” Then you must be delusional! From what I’ve read in the Toronto Star and the Toronto Sun Trudeau is basically backing Trump on higher wages for Mexican workers as a condition of continuing NAFTA. The position of both Canada and the U.S. is a 600 peso a day minimum wage, that comes out as about 620 dollars a month or 12,000 pesos a month minimum wage. Your idea that Trump or Trudeau are asking for the lowering of the present minimum wage in Mexico is, so delusional as to be pathetic. Do you even follow the news. Did you even read the article and what it said?
      This is typical “Trump derangement syndrome ” stuff you escribe to him the oposite as to what he is trying to do! You even fail to understand that on this issue of raising the wages of Mexicans Trudeau is actually supporting Trump! Learn to read, before writing ridiculous drivel it might save you from looking like a Jerk!
      By the way how do I know what is being paid in the factories in different cities such as San Luis Potosi or Queretaro. I teach English to engineers and other people in these factories so I have a first hand knowledge of the pay rates in said factories. Grow up and stop blaming Trump for things where he and Trudeau are trying to help not hurt the average Mexican worker.

      • Wages are too low in Mexico, but in turn Mexico should insist that US workers all have health care, paid vacations, 8 paid holidays per year, paid overtime, free day care and 15 days wages as an obligatory payment in December like Mexican workers have.

  • Henry Don Miranda


    On January 23, 2018, global leaders in the financial sector, as well as government leaders in finance, will conjure in Davos Switzerland at the World Economic Forum. In January 2018 leaders from China, France, Britain, Russia and Middle East Empires met to discuss whom would handle the massive debts the United States brings to the PBR Basket each year as China is deciding whom to sell the U.S. Debts to. As it stands today, this series of events has led to the introduction of cryptocurrency and bitcoins which are both created by the same groups intentionally driving our u.s. currency and economy into depletion and will eventually lead to people receiving a microchip or RFID device for currency trade or food purchasing. The blockchain is nothing new, this system has been used as the coding on paper currency since the inception of the fed in 1913.

    France holds the Trump card as our country borrowed a large amount of capital to fight the British while establishing the United States of America, Debts that have an increased interest greater than the original amounts borrowed. As The Fed, IRS, Congress, and major banking groups keep our nation in debt and bankrupt when it comes to brass meetings in Davos, Switzerland regarding the PBR Basket Each Year. This is how the IRS is actually influenced by the Fiat system via Debts owed to France from the late 1700’s.

    Our massive Military debt from politicians convincing taxpayers that America needs more weapons and military arsenal to fight an enemy whom American consumers owe great amounts of money. These forums operating within the IRS, The Fed, Congress and major banking groups actually placed the United States in position for a buyout as foreign operatives have sabotaged the United States since our inception in the 1600’s. Russia controls Oil Trade platforms regarding brokers deals while Mexico controls our actual Oil and Gold supply into the United States. Mexico and South America provide America with 70% of our oil supply at 3 trillion barrels per year much of which is exported, Brazil provides 80% of the U.S. Ethanol supply for clean fuels programs, Mexico and South America provide apx: 40% of our gold supply then sold to China with Latin-based cultures providing approximately 60% of our labor force in America as well as 40% of our military personnel.

    We must allow other nations to restore themselves as we mind our Nations Business and Peoples wellbeing, Banking and Corporate empires in America should also be required to give back freely to citizens, thus actually helping with the restoration of America as opposed to the current fleecing of America’s resources and citizens.


    Mr. Henry Don Miranda
    The Miranda Report
    Global Intelligence Media Group